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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg you know every so

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often here on the power cast we answer

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the critics now I know one particular

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critic who actually posted a message in

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iTunes complaining that we dare to

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respond to critics now I don't know

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about you but where is it written that

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we can't answer to people who object to

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what we do and how we do it

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what do you think Chris should we not

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talk about the critics well I mean come

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on you know people want to complain or

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you know even we have constructive

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criticism I mean I think it's beholden

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to us to respond to it and address that

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of course the common criticism is that

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we have too many commercials but that

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applies to all commercial radio shows

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you know we have a fixed amount of

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commercials it consumes about 25 or 26

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percent of the content of the show the

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same is true for all commercial talk

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shows in the United States and as a

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matter of fact for TV shows which even

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offer more commercials so your one-hour

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TV drama takes 43 minutes is there any

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other way to work it out I suppose I

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suppose as TV and radio mature as radio

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moves more and more online we'll find

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better ways but that's the way the

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system works now we can't say we'd like

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all the commercials but about nine

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minutes of those commercials are our own

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what that means is if you find an

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announcement for a product or service

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that we are advertising we'd like you to

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consider it because what that means is

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income to the show or we get to sell

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some of our own stuff so I don't think

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anything's wrong with that there has

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been talk of a premium and free version

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I can't say it's gonna happen I know

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other shows do it but I have been

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talking to the network and let's just

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say the door is not closed to the idea

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but if you're saying that we break for

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commercials every five minutes we have

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six minutes of commercials

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that's exaggerated there you go I will

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not respond or ask Chris to respond to

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the problem where they attack his

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character or they say that he speaks

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with chewing tobacco in his mouth or

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something or is it a bagel is it a bagel

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you know if you're eating a bagel it's

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hard to talk as bagels are so thick you

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know no well you know what can I say I'm

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you know doing the best I can

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I've never claimed to be a smooth

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professional broadcaster like Eugene I'm

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more of the color commentary kind of guy

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and as long as you can hear what I'm

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saying I you know and understand you

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know the meaning behind my words I don't

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think there should be any any problems

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with that if there are I don't know

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recommend a speech therapist or

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something I you know what I went to

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broadcasting school which has got to be

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over 40 years ago we had voice exercises

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where we would sit there and read aloud

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all sorts of tongue twisters and things

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so imagine me sitting here doing

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absolutely nothing but reading classic

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tongue twisters like she sells seashells

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down by the seashore Suzie's sister

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sewed socks for soldiers that's why I

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keep this around by the way so if my

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Tang gets tumbled I have an out well

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again I think content is way more

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important than form and that's why so

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many podcasts out there that may not

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have the production quality and

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production values and you know the the

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Train voiceover personnel but they have

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good guess that's they become popular

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and and people listen to them because

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they're more interested in the guests

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and the content than they are in the

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delivery although I must say Jean you

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and I do have a reputation of being up

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to speed on the subjects that you know

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our guests are expert in or aspiring

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experts in and you know I've always

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taken it as my challenge to come up with

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something that challenges the guests and

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maybe gives them information that they

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didn't know beforehand so I mean I

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always kind of look at that as my role

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of being as up to speed in these subject

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areas as possible you know what other

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criticism they make is that we give our

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own opinions well you know this is not

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the kind of show where we just sit back

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and say okay tell me something if we

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have an opinion we will express it no

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whether you agree with it or not if you

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don't like it well there are other radio

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shows where the host will simply ask a

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few dumb questions sit back have a

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banana and listen to the response or

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maybe listen to the response it's like

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the classic joke you say about lame

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talk-show hosts where someone says okay

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what did you do yesterday and the guests

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says well I am a serial killer I'd kill

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12 people and then the host says do you

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have any hobbies well with the release

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of my new book I've done quite a number

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of radio shows and podcasts over the

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last two months and the ones that always

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get me are the ones that you know asked

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could you send us like a list of a dozen

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or so questions that we can ask you and

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it's like you know it's it's their job

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to be up to speed in the subject matter

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that you know their guests are involved

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with and you know to me that's just

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that's a lazy way of attempting to you

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know get information how to their to

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their listening audience I I you know we

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never asked anybody to send us questions

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to ask our guests I it's I don't know oh

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I know with one or two of our guests

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where they had major publicists like

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they wrote a book for a large publishing

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company you would get a press release

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where they would give suggested

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questions no and I pride myself with

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never ever reading them yeah I asked my

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own questions for better or worse

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another criticism that we constantly

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attack other talk-show hosts now I don't

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know about you I think the worst we've

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said is some are lazy but we don't name

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them all right we named George Noory of

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coast-to-coast because that's the number

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one show but we're not attacking George

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Noory as a person I gather he's a very

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nice guy I'm sure Chris and I would sit

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back at our favorite Middle East

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restaurant and enjoy some kebab with him

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or something

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ya know George's he's a sweet guy he

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really is and he does he's quite a

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singer too from what I've heard oh yeah

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I'll tell you what if George sends us

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one of his songs maybe we'll play it as

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long as we have permission Erik sure

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well you can sing Chris oh boy yeah

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you're a musician another thing you're a

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rock and roller excuse me let me use the

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right voice

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they'll now get me for doing bad

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imitations but let me say this the one

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thing I could say about that is both the

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late Wolfman Jack whose real name is Bob

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Smith and gene Steinberg with both born

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in Brooklyn New York no but but he made

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about 10,000 times more money than I did

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except I'm still here he's gone you know

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there you go so that's the criticisms

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now I'm going to play this little

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recording which Kris is aware of where I

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respond to the criticisms with apologies

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ladies and gentlemen to Stephanie Miller

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a talk-show host two featured and/or

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created that sound effect we've had such

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a run of great guests it's almost

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impossible to top them from one week to

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the next but we're going to do it this

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week we're going to feature Ted row and

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he's associated with an organization

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called the National Aviation Reporting

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Center on anomalous phenomena or narc

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app now some years back we featured his

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associate there dr. Richard Haines their

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chief scientist and this is an

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organization that is devoted to

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scientific exploration of what they call

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unidentified aerial phenomena that's

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your term for UFOs and we're going to

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ask Ted to explain how that works out

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we're going to talk about their best

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cases and maybe learn a bit more about

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what he thinks UAP may in

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this is gonna be a tremendous show we've

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been in touch with Ted for a number of

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years occasionally he posts message in

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our forums that forum dr. power cast

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calm our listeners have also been there

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asking some really interesting questions

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and this also means that if you have a

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question all you have to do is go to

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forum dot Lapera cast calm look for the

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board entitled the question Bank where

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we set up a topic or thread for an

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upcoming guest there's gonna be a lot of

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solid information here not speculation

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information our guests once again coming

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up next

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Ted row of narc app with Jeana and Chris

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you're in the para cast first game

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attack of the rockets and it was a

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critically acclaimed success and now

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock codes

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and the coming of the protectors find

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lost over 90% of its value in the last

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no fiat currency has ever survived the

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a mutant the time is now to be proactive

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leave a legacy of wealth or debt for

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your family the choice is yours call me

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on the power cast we welcome Ted row of

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narc cap to the para cast now some years

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back as our listeners recall we had dr.

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Richard Haines who Ted works with over

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at nor cap and he presented a lot of

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fascinating information but for those

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listeners who haven't heard us present

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discussion is about NAR cap or not are

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not familiar with the organization

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because you don't have a reality TV show

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based on NAR cap as you do with like

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MUFON Ted welcome to the show can you

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tell our listeners about the

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organization how was it established in

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Hawaii law gene and hello to your

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listeners yes we were established in

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1999 after a number of conversations

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between dr. Haines and myself to address

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aviation safety factors that seemed to

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crop up in some aviation related UFO

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encounters at the time we felt that the

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term UFO is

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a bit limiting and inaccurate so we

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adopted a term that's more common in the

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international research community which

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would be unidentified aerial phenomena

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the Chilean team uses anomalous aerial

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phenomena French Hughes rare atmospheric

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phenomena so we try to choose a term

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that was more accurate and then we have

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subheadings unidentified aerial

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phenomena / light unidentified aerial

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phenomena / object or UFO so now

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therefore unidentified aerial phenomena

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is not specifically an equivalent of UFO

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well it's not specifically an equivalent

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of an alien spaceship let's put it that

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way it remains unidentified after

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examination of with adequate data by

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people like to make an analysis so if

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you have enough information to identify

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it and it still remains unidentified by

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people who know what they're doing then

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you have a UAP okay but you're not

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prepared to say that's et well I bet

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it's a very difficult line to walk there

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in because some cases are clearly

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provocative but but you're always

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missing certain key information that

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would allow us to make that statement if

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we didn't see it come from space or see

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it leave to space then we can't be

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certain it came from space originally

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for example if you see something

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hovering over tree that's unusual sure

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it's unusual you document everything you

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can but what you can't do is document

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what's going on inside it came from you

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know what its intentions are etcetera so

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it's difficult in that way to make a

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definitive statement all right this is a

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big discussion here because as you know

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a lot of the people in UFO field believe

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that UFOs are extraterrestrial I always

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argue it's a process of elimination on

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their part they say well it doesn't seem

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to be conventional therefore it's got to

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come from out there but you're taking a

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far more nuanced look at this thing

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which to me as a matter of fact is

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probably closer to the viewpoint that we

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here on the podcast take well well

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nuance is the key here there are

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probably natural phenomena that account

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for some UAP reports and until we can

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weed them out

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learn what they are give them a name

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identify them and move them away from

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the collective description of UAP and so

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we can weed it out and get down to the

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fine points so we can't be certain what

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it is we're looking at not all UAP not

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all unidentified aerial phenomena are

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technical in nature you know or have

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technical attributes let's put it that

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way and and some of them there there are

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some ideas of around what's called

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extreme ball lightning for example which

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are large slow-moving bright balls of

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light with a whopping potential in them

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that could just like evaporate an

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aircraft if it destruct them and they're

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not under intelligent control and

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there's no reason to believe that

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they'll get out of the way if you see

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one in your path and pilots aren't

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really advised that such things exist

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and until we can sort those out from the

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larger data set we can't we we can't be

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sure what all people are seeing out

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there except in the most obvious cases

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and taking them at face value let's

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focus further on the things you're doing

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but just let me mention parenthetically

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here a pro which halife ties to latin

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american cases they would call it

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unidentified aerial object as opposed to

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phenomena and I guess the distinction

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being here is you're looking at all

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sorts of things they're not explained

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but they can't quite be put in the

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category of an object right I mean if

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you see a ball of light you don't know

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if it's masking an object or if it's

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just a complete 360 energetic radiator

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with no mass in the middle of it you

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know there's a lot of basic questions

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here earth lights for example it's a

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common manifestation to see orange balls

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of light I've seen them myself at a site

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in the southwest us where they manifest

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and pilots report range balls of light

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at altitude and are they the same

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phenomena and how do we know and can we

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be certain and and n you know if you

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really want to understand what's going

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on here you realize it is nuanced that's

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gonna take time it's gonna take time and

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a lot of work to resolve these cases

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listen let me ask you here very briefly

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and we'll get into this in more detail

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on our other segments we have some

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people in the UFO field who've not only

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maintained that UFOs must be et and I'm

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separating the term UFO from UAP because

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it's not the term they use they say

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we're being visited by spaceships

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further that the governments of Earth

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particularly the US government have

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guilty knowledge of this and therefore

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we should urge them to disclose what

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they know is that a cop-out well it's

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another track yeah III think that that

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in 60 years of trying to persuade

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governments that are believed to be

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withholding information to talk about it

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it hasn't been terribly successful like

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they've put their cases out there but if

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they've done any extracurricular work on

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and we're not aware of it I don't think

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it's a cop-out really but I am I think

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that they bring belief systems with them

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when they carry these ideas and if they

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haven't adequately proved it their

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assertions are hard on those of us who

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are actually doing the science it hurts

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our credibility when when we go to try

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to talk to representatives of government

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for example and we want to convince them

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that we have research that that

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indicates that we should be looking more

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closely at these phenomena and others

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have come before with with more

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airy-fairy

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kind of ideas less credible ideas we we

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tended lumped in with them no matter how

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careful we are and it doesn't help us so

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yeah III don't really know how effective

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these drives that government are in

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terms of making change on this subject

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in my experience most government

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officials are as ignorant on the subject

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as everybody else is let's talk a little

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bit more about NAR cap

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more about the history they came

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together in 1999 how did you set things

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up and more about how you do the things

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that you do and also about maybe some of

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the most significant case histories

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you've accumulated so we get a sense of

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the kind of evidence that you've looked

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at and maybe also some of the stuff that

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didn't pass muster and why and we'll get

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into that more as we progress with this

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week's episode our guess is Tedrow the

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organization is narcan and if you go to

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närke org you'll find more about the

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organization and its mission

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[Music]

585
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:23,149
we have Tedrow from noir cap and this is

586
00:27:29,379 --> 00:27:26,210
an organization that obviously has a

587
00:27:31,690 --> 00:27:29,389
heavily scientific bent so let's start

588
00:27:35,109 --> 00:27:31,700
from the beginning there we kind of went

589
00:27:40,450 --> 00:27:35,119
away from it that you were founded in

590
00:27:46,029 --> 00:27:40,460
1999 how did you set this up and how do

591
00:27:48,219 --> 00:27:46,039
you continue your focus well I met dr.

592
00:27:51,789 --> 00:27:48,229
Hanes kind of under interesting

593
00:27:53,769 --> 00:27:51,799
circumstances I had had a UAP encounter

594
00:27:56,619 --> 00:27:53,779
of my own actually I was a late person

595
00:27:58,659 --> 00:27:56,629
then not pretty familiar with the UFO

596
00:28:00,639 --> 00:27:58,669
community I'd spent 10 years studying

597
00:28:04,509 --> 00:28:00,649
trying to make sense of things that I

598
00:28:06,999 --> 00:28:04,519
had seen experience myself and I ended

599
00:28:09,849 --> 00:28:07,009
up making a report to the NASA PR office

600
00:28:12,940 --> 00:28:09,859
at Ames Research Center and dr. Haines

601
00:28:14,289 --> 00:28:12,950
got back to me and in the course of

602
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:14,299
googling through that investigative

603
00:28:22,329 --> 00:28:16,369
process and sharing that information and

604
00:28:25,539 --> 00:28:22,339
learning a bit about UFO research we

605
00:28:28,469 --> 00:28:25,549
came to be friends and he eventually

606
00:28:31,450 --> 00:28:28,479
came to me with an idea he had for a

607
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:31,460
international aviation Reporting Center

608
00:28:36,999 --> 00:28:34,369
he had felt that a lot of aviation cases

609
00:28:40,029 --> 00:28:37,009
had aviation safety factors that were

610
00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:40,039
being overlooked by the aviation

611
00:28:45,099 --> 00:28:42,559
community and and that he thought that

612
00:28:46,690 --> 00:28:45,109
championing those ideas might help

613
00:28:49,749 --> 00:28:46,700
reveal a little bit of information about

614
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,759
the you have no problem and I and I

615
00:28:53,019 --> 00:28:51,200
agreed with him it seemed to be one of

616
00:28:55,450 --> 00:28:53,029
the one of the more relevant approaches

617
00:28:55,899 --> 00:28:55,460
so we got to talking about how to get it

618
00:28:58,419 --> 00:28:55,909
set up

619
00:29:01,570 --> 00:28:58,429
he had many contacts and friends of his

620
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:01,580
own to to man the research side of

621
00:29:06,399 --> 00:29:03,679
things and I had plenty of experience in

622
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:06,409
administration so I I sort of took over

623
00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:09,919
the image management and and internal

624
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:11,929
processes of the organization itself and

625
00:29:20,499 --> 00:29:16,399
between us we we built it into about 55

626
00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:20,509
or less members of technical specialists

627
00:29:24,300 --> 00:29:23,089
Research Associates international

628
00:29:27,570 --> 00:29:24,310
specialists

629
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:27,580
cetera in 2010 I started getting emails

630
00:29:34,260 --> 00:29:31,330
from Chilean Air Force generals and the

631
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result of that was a written agreement

632
00:29:39,630 --> 00:29:37,630
of collaboration and research agreement

633
00:29:41,660 --> 00:29:39,640
with the Chilean government and we've

634
00:29:44,580 --> 00:29:41,670
helped them on a number of cases since

635
00:29:47,970 --> 00:29:44,590
our contacts in France are strong so

636
00:29:50,100 --> 00:29:47,980
patient ship with Japan is pretty good

637
00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:50,110
although it's not official we're

638
00:29:54,510 --> 00:29:51,310
presenting at one of their close

639
00:29:58,260 --> 00:29:54,520
symposiums here in a month so our star

640
00:30:00,720 --> 00:29:58,270
just rose by sticking to the rules as

641
00:30:04,170 --> 00:30:00,730
far as science goes just sticking to the

642
00:30:07,260 --> 00:30:04,180
the basics of what we were trying to do

643
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:07,270
and not extrapolating our data very far

644
00:30:10,820 --> 00:30:08,890
that's not to say that some of these

645
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:10,830
cases aren't provocative there are I

646
00:30:15,300 --> 00:30:13,840
think they need to be looked at all they

647
00:30:17,850 --> 00:30:15,310
need to be looked at much more closely

648
00:30:19,470 --> 00:30:17,860
and and as far as the idea of

649
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:19,480
extraterrestrial incursions we can't

650
00:30:24,830 --> 00:30:22,240
rule it out a careful look at the US Air

651
00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:24,840
Force studies the Battelle Institute

652
00:30:30,150 --> 00:30:28,200
special report 14 was pretty clear that

653
00:30:31,650 --> 00:30:30,160
what the Air Force was claiming

654
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:31,660
outwardly and what their data was

655
00:30:35,550 --> 00:30:33,250
showing two different things and that

656
00:30:38,510 --> 00:30:35,560
that some of these unidentifieds are

657
00:30:42,330 --> 00:30:38,520
very provocative and need to be resolved

658
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:42,340
so how you go about doing that it's a

659
00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:45,130
big subject yeah and we obviously we

660
00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:46,870
want to get into that subject and also

661
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:48,670
discuss some of the cases that you're

662
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:51,570
you're working on with with the Chilean

663
00:30:57,090 --> 00:30:54,610
officials but Ted you kind of mentioned

664
00:30:59,040 --> 00:30:57,100
something there at the onset about your

665
00:31:00,810 --> 00:30:59,050
own personal experiences that that

666
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:00,820
helped kind of jumpstart your interest

667
00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:02,290
in this subject why don't you describe

668
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:03,910
some of your own personal experiences

669
00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:08,770
that you've had with you ApS and give

670
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:10,600
our listeners a sense of how you were

671
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:13,450
motivated to get involved in such a you

672
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:15,730
know an extensive manner well it's a

673
00:31:20,730 --> 00:31:18,510
personal story and kind of convoluted I

674
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:20,740
trended towards keeping it out of the

675
00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:23,290
media for the last 15 years but but I

676
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:25,240
don't mind sharing it with you guys in

677
00:31:31,710 --> 00:31:27,970
general over the course of my life I'd

678
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:31,720
been exposed to UAP of the the kind that

679
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:33,930
everybody is most concerned about

680
00:31:41,490 --> 00:31:37,690
probably I doesn't Iams

681
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,500
the most part sometimes at very close

682
00:31:45,629 --> 00:31:43,360
quarters I don't really understand why

683
00:31:50,029 --> 00:31:45,639
or what what it's about but but it's

684
00:31:53,159 --> 00:31:50,039
provocative and it's disturbing and in

685
00:31:55,999 --> 00:31:53,169
1991 I believe it's 91 I was watching

686
00:31:58,830 --> 00:31:56,009
CNN and General Wilford the Prowler from

687
00:32:02,639 --> 00:31:58,840
NATO command in Belgium was asking the

688
00:32:04,259 --> 00:32:02,649
world aircraft that his Air Force was

689
00:32:05,999 --> 00:32:04,269
chasing around the country belonged to

690
00:32:08,909 --> 00:32:06,009
with these unusual flight

691
00:32:11,159 --> 00:32:08,919
characteristics and it kind of sparked

692
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:11,169
my memories of the family seeing these

693
00:32:15,450 --> 00:32:13,570
things and having to deal with the

694
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,460
fallout of it we all kind of just

695
00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:16,960
smoothed it over and didn't talk about

696
00:32:22,409 --> 00:32:19,750
it really but it was more than one time

697
00:32:25,649 --> 00:32:22,419
and then I had several of them and I

698
00:32:26,940 --> 00:32:25,659
just kind of forgotten about them but

699
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:26,950
that triggered something and so I

700
00:32:32,669 --> 00:32:29,730
started reading and studying and then

701
00:32:34,649 --> 00:32:32,679
next thing you know I I'm having a

702
00:32:36,629 --> 00:32:34,659
cluster of these experiences again and I

703
00:32:38,249 --> 00:32:36,639
record them and I end up one of the

704
00:32:40,919 --> 00:32:38,259
people I'd been studying was dr. Haynes

705
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:40,929
and out of the woodwork here he comes

706
00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:46,960
and we had a meeting in 2008 I believe

707
00:32:52,639 --> 00:32:49,240
it was in San Jose and who was present

708
00:32:55,940 --> 00:32:52,649
but former Major General will be drower

709
00:32:59,970 --> 00:32:55,950
so it's been a very strange experience

710
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:59,980
the UAP that I've seen of the technical

711
00:33:04,139 --> 00:33:01,840
type involve Spears and discs and

712
00:33:06,299 --> 00:33:04,149
cylinders and and then I've been out in

713
00:33:09,659 --> 00:33:06,309
the desert and seen what are called

714
00:33:12,210 --> 00:33:09,669
earth lights and other types of poorly

715
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,220
understood but not as well so I've been

716
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:14,080
exposed to all of it I don't have any

717
00:33:18,749 --> 00:33:16,690
answers about any of it um other than I

718
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:18,759
listen very carefully when somebody says

719
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:20,289
they've seen something I know how

720
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:25,450
strange it can be you know that what

721
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:26,799
you're telling us here is very very

722
00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:29,679
general that you had sightings of all

723
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:33,070
sorts of things cylinders things like

724
00:33:38,639 --> 00:33:36,370
that in the sky can you give us more

725
00:33:41,009 --> 00:33:38,649
details on any particular case it just

726
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,019
stands out this is the most incredible i

727
00:33:45,950 --> 00:33:44,080
I can offer one for you I was standing

728
00:33:48,620 --> 00:33:45,960
on my deck I

729
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:48,630
derive in Orinda California which

730
00:33:53,780 --> 00:33:51,360
overlooks the freeway about a quarter

731
00:33:55,130 --> 00:33:53,790
mile below and I caught some movement

732
00:33:59,410 --> 00:33:55,140
out of the corner of my eye and I look

733
00:34:02,120 --> 00:33:59,420
to my left and I saw a black round spear

734
00:34:06,650 --> 00:34:02,130
moving up the ridge line towards the

735
00:34:08,930 --> 00:34:06,660
house and it came to a stop about 50

736
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:08,940
feet in front of me out in front of the

737
00:34:12,830 --> 00:34:11,129
over the deck there was a guy down below

738
00:34:15,020 --> 00:34:12,840
mowing his lawn and I yelled at him he

739
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:15,030
looked up and I pointed at it he looked

740
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:17,220
at it - both stood there and watched it

741
00:34:21,889 --> 00:34:20,250
and then it it just kind of retreated

742
00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:21,899
away from me and then went over the

743
00:34:29,330 --> 00:34:25,350
opposite Ridgeline and disappeared very

744
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:29,340
close no idea why like I said maybe 12

745
00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:32,970
times my entire life I'm 54 years old it

746
00:34:38,350 --> 00:34:34,980
probably all adds up to maybe 10 12

747
00:34:40,970 --> 00:34:38,360
minutes of the experience direct and

748
00:34:43,250 --> 00:34:40,980
very very few answers and I'm not

749
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:43,260
terribly satisfied with ufology Zin

750
00:34:48,830 --> 00:34:46,169
gauge Minh tub so I've tried to just

751
00:34:51,740 --> 00:34:48,840
pull hold to my own standards on this

752
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:51,750
I'm a hard point on the sphere in terms

753
00:34:57,310 --> 00:34:54,450
of listening to our reporters as I

754
00:35:03,020 --> 00:34:57,320
advocate for the and my careful in doing

755
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:03,030
but that was one example the one that

756
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:05,130
that got me in contact with dr. Haynes

757
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:08,250
was a bit more puzzling it was a very

758
00:35:15,110 --> 00:35:10,430
close approach by a large cylindrical

759
00:35:18,020 --> 00:35:15,120
object that with very unusual attributes

760
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:18,030
and it's a hard to kind of parked itself

761
00:35:21,350 --> 00:35:19,530
in front of our cars we were driving

762
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:21,360
down the road less than its own length

763
00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:24,240
from our windshield and that lasted for

764
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:27,510
a bit it was very uncomfortable and for

765
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:29,820
months afterwards I wasn't I wasn't able

766
00:35:34,580 --> 00:35:31,730
to explain it adequately so I wrote a

767
00:35:36,590 --> 00:35:34,590
little note little little couple of

768
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,600
sentences to the PR office at Ames

769
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:38,640
Research Center asking if anybody was

770
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:40,770
interested in knowing anything about

771
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:43,170
this I wanted to talk to somebody

772
00:35:47,620 --> 00:35:45,900
dr. Gaines got back to me we worked on

773
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:47,630
it from there

774
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:50,730
again I I I have nothing but empathy for

775
00:35:55,790 --> 00:35:53,690
people who experience these things I

776
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:55,800
advise them all to be very careful with

777
00:35:59,780 --> 00:35:57,930
what they do with their minds around

778
00:36:01,400 --> 00:35:59,790
these things

779
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:01,410
the urge to think that you're special or

780
00:36:07,370 --> 00:36:04,890
different can be overwhelming and may

781
00:36:11,660 --> 00:36:07,380
not be correct and may not serve you you

782
00:36:14,210 --> 00:36:11,670
know so there's a there's a lot of

783
00:36:15,830 --> 00:36:14,220
considerations around all si I just ask

784
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:15,840
people not to hand their minds over to

785
00:36:17,810 --> 00:36:17,310
somebody else that they don't know the

786
00:36:20,780 --> 00:36:17,820
answer

787
00:36:22,340 --> 00:36:20,790
Lucy I don't know you know be satisfied

788
00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:22,350
with that until you can get an answer

789
00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:24,270
that you can depend on don't don't just

790
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:27,000
adoptable so don't just assume there's

791
00:36:31,540 --> 00:36:29,850
an answer and that someone else has the

792
00:36:34,220 --> 00:36:31,550
answer because you might find yourself

793
00:36:36,620 --> 00:36:34,230
barking up the wrong tree Tedrow is

794
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:36,630
executive director of nar cap this is

795
00:36:45,970 --> 00:36:40,330
jean with chris you're in the para cast

796
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:49,449
[Music]

797
00:36:58,789 --> 00:36:52,609
America's largest independently owned

798
00:37:00,739 --> 00:36:58,799
communications network see attack of the

799
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rock AIDS has been well received by

800
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:03,059
critics and readers alike it's a thrill

801
00:37:07,489 --> 00:37:05,130
a minute story you'll never forget a

802
00:37:10,130 --> 00:37:07,499
former US military intelligence officer

803
00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:10,140
is haunted by intense dreams about a

804
00:37:14,749 --> 00:37:12,660
beautiful woman pleading for his help

805
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:14,759
after a terrible battle in outer space

806
00:37:19,939 --> 00:37:17,609
but the dreams turn out to be true and

807
00:37:22,309 --> 00:37:19,949
thrust him into a telepathic love affair

808
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:22,319
with a woman who's faraway planet is

809
00:37:27,739 --> 00:37:25,529
intent on destroying the earth and now

810
00:37:30,469 --> 00:37:27,749
the gripping tale continues in the

811
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coming of the protectors it's the second

812
00:37:35,089 --> 00:37:33,209
book of the rockets trilogy a galaxy

813
00:37:37,819 --> 00:37:35,099
spanning adventure that fits our hapless

814
00:37:39,919 --> 00:37:37,829
heroes against powerful fanatical

815
00:37:42,799 --> 00:37:39,929
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[Music]

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this is the wrong tire co-author of

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beautiful encyclopedia in other books

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you're listening to the parrot cap gene

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and Chris in the para cast we're talking

904
00:41:24,809 --> 00:41:21,760
to Ted Rowe executive director of NAR

905
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:24,819
cap and we're focusing on his personal

906
00:41:30,299 --> 00:41:27,250
experiences briefly speaking people will

907
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,309
want to know can't tell us what's your

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00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:31,920
day job

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well I along with an R cap I teach

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reading here I wrestle diver teacher

911
00:41:44,849 --> 00:41:42,069
right I used to be a I used to work in

912
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officers project management type stuff

913
00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:46,960
one of me once the economy collapsed I I

914
00:41:52,109 --> 00:41:49,420
stepped over here to do that I also

915
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teach martial arts and I'm preparing a

916
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course for the local of Soto daifuku G

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Zen temple here so I'll be teaching out

918
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:01,390
of that shortly so basically speaking

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00:42:07,710 --> 00:42:05,160
here let's not get on your bad side I

920
00:42:09,930 --> 00:42:07,720
try to have a bad side I've done pretty

921
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:09,940
open to everybody I'm not gonna embrace

922
00:42:14,579 --> 00:42:12,400
what everybody thinks but they can think

923
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:14,589
what they want to let me look at your

924
00:42:20,849 --> 00:42:17,410
sightings here now the key about it here

925
00:42:23,010 --> 00:42:20,859
is that from what you tell me these this

926
00:42:26,010 --> 00:42:23,020
phenomena does show evidence of

927
00:42:28,620 --> 00:42:26,020
intelligent control right there are

928
00:42:30,660 --> 00:42:28,630
profiles of UAP that seem to do that but

929
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:30,670
they seem to be technical manifestations

930
00:42:34,349 --> 00:42:32,710
I don't know who's but they're there

931
00:42:37,170 --> 00:42:34,359
they have technical qualities to them

932
00:42:39,630 --> 00:42:37,180
and if you can describe their behaviors

933
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:39,640
you would try to apply attributes of

934
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:41,890
intelligence yes I'm thinking

935
00:42:46,980 --> 00:42:44,650
specifically of the things you saw yeah

936
00:42:50,269 --> 00:42:46,990
yeah might be my personal experiences I

937
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:50,279
think some of those are technical

938
00:42:55,799 --> 00:42:52,210
manifestations I think others I'm not

939
00:42:58,500 --> 00:42:55,809
supposed URIs out okay so having seen

940
00:43:02,490 --> 00:42:58,510
things that show evidence of intelligent

941
00:43:05,549 --> 00:43:02,500
control unknown aerial phenomena showing

942
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:05,559
intelligent control obviously you have

943
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:10,089
cases on file at NAR cap of things also

944
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:11,770
indicating some sort of intelligent

945
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:12,640
control

946
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:16,090
so it follows then what sort of

947
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:18,640
intelligence are we talking about well

948
00:43:26,850 --> 00:43:21,850
yes that that would be in the next round

949
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:26,860
of questions III suppose there's a lot

950
00:43:30,660 --> 00:43:28,570
to be done in terms of just teasing

951
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:30,670
these profiles apart and understanding

952
00:43:34,380 --> 00:43:32,530
them well one of the efforts we

953
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:34,390
undertook in our cap was called project

954
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:38,530
spear and it was a case study of UAP

955
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:40,330
that presents as spherical kites or

956
00:43:47,610 --> 00:43:44,560
objects and so we took one category one

957
00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:47,620
profile and we examined it and and we we

958
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:48,910
examined the scope of these

959
00:43:53,370 --> 00:43:51,250
manifestations how big they are the

960
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:53,380
altitudes they manifest that whether

961
00:43:58,560 --> 00:43:55,530
they have dynamic trajectories or not

962
00:44:01,950 --> 00:43:58,570
and so on what we would call their

963
00:44:04,530 --> 00:44:01,960
behaviors per se and that needs to be

964
00:44:07,350 --> 00:44:04,540
done for every profile of UAP and it

965
00:44:09,390 --> 00:44:07,360
just hasn't been done yet we need to do

966
00:44:11,100 --> 00:44:09,400
that or those that are reported as

967
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:11,110
disc-shaped objects those that are

968
00:44:17,970 --> 00:44:15,520
recorded as cylinders and so on and we

969
00:44:20,670 --> 00:44:17,980
really need to as you mentioned earlier

970
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:20,680
look at the new on us and and then we

971
00:44:23,940 --> 00:44:22,330
can come to some kind of conclusions on

972
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:23,950
in terms of just what it is we're

973
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:27,280
looking at the flip side of the problem

974
00:44:31,710 --> 00:44:29,010
the gene is is the extra-terrestrial

975
00:44:33,210 --> 00:44:31,720
hypothesis and the concern that if any

976
00:44:36,510 --> 00:44:33,220
one of these things is a manifestation

977
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:36,520
of an extraterrestrial incursion we as

978
00:44:41,790 --> 00:44:38,530
humanity cannot afford to be pissing

979
00:44:44,910 --> 00:44:41,800
this if it's happening it could be very

980
00:44:46,770 --> 00:44:44,920
toxic and very dangerous it's it's an

981
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:46,780
incursion until we can determine whether

982
00:44:52,530 --> 00:44:49,810
it's benign or benevolent or not and as

983
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:52,540
an incursion it's a security risk and I

984
00:44:56,220 --> 00:44:54,370
don't think Humanity is at all prepared

985
00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:56,230
to deal with what that means we're to

986
00:45:00,840 --> 00:44:58,570
even be able to detect it accurately or

987
00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:00,850
correctly everything science tells us at

988
00:45:05,220 --> 00:45:02,110
this point is that we live in a

989
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:05,230
populated universe and chances are very

990
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:06,850
good that those that populate that

991
00:45:12,750 --> 00:45:08,770
universe are much older than we are and

992
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:12,760
much more capable so we need to have an

993
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:14,650
open mind and open eyes and we need to

994
00:45:17,730 --> 00:45:16,330
be looking at these phenomena carefully

995
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:17,740
and making sure that we know what they

996
00:45:21,930 --> 00:45:20,410
are and what they're not and making good

997
00:45:23,580 --> 00:45:21,940
judgment calls based on that information

998
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:23,590
and I just don't think the

999
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:25,090
infrastructure is in place yet I don't

1000
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:26,370
think that the

1001
00:45:33,050 --> 00:45:29,610
powers that are our focus properly as

1002
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:33,060
they should be on this is more um and

1003
00:45:36,140 --> 00:45:34,710
that's assuming that there's no shadow

1004
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:36,150
government you're not buying in

1005
00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:37,170
conspiracies

1006
00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:39,000
you're not going that far as this

1007
00:45:44,060 --> 00:45:40,980
suggests that there's a shadow

1008
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:44,070
government or some kind of black project

1009
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:45,930
that's aware of what's going on in terms

1010
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:49,170
of unidentified phenomena you know there

1011
00:45:53,150 --> 00:45:51,090
are certain clues in our in the history

1012
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:53,160
of the examination of the phenomena that

1013
00:45:59,630 --> 00:45:55,490
cause us to suspect certain things like

1014
00:46:01,610 --> 00:45:59,640
1952 53 and 54 kind of watershed years

1015
00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:01,620
where the government and the military

1016
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:04,020
went from a positive relationship with

1017
00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:07,140
the general public around the subject to

1018
00:46:16,670 --> 00:46:14,040
a dismissive and closed approach to the

1019
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:16,680
the topic and I'm not sure what was

1020
00:46:20,330 --> 00:46:18,330
disclosed in those years I do know that

1021
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:20,340
there were certain events that are that

1022
00:46:24,530 --> 00:46:22,010
would be considered provocative the

1023
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:24,540
manifestations over Washington DC in 52

1024
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:27,450
for example but then we had the

1025
00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:29,130
Robertson panel how this is good just

1026
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:30,990
gonna say the Robertson panel had a lot

1027
00:46:37,070 --> 00:46:33,570
to do with the change exactly in

1028
00:46:39,980 --> 00:46:37,080
academia as has embraced those

1029
00:46:41,950 --> 00:46:39,990
recommendations all heartedly whether

1030
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:41,960
that adds up to a shadow government or

1031
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:45,330
bad judgment or whatever it is I don't

1032
00:46:50,060 --> 00:46:47,940
know there are probably other historians

1033
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:50,070
Richard Dolan and others that might have

1034
00:46:56,330 --> 00:46:54,480
a better take on that but just assuming

1035
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:56,340
just assuming that all is as it's been

1036
00:47:01,970 --> 00:46:59,760
laid on the table then I would say that

1037
00:47:05,390 --> 00:47:01,980
the earth is not repaired earth could

1038
00:47:08,180 --> 00:47:05,400
not protect itself from alien incursions

1039
00:47:10,460 --> 00:47:08,190
and the fallout that that we face even

1040
00:47:14,410 --> 00:47:10,470
thrown potentially benign incursions

1041
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:14,420
would be massive and difficult for the

1042
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:19,440
for a culture to manage and I don't

1043
00:47:24,050 --> 00:47:20,930
really think it's been well thought out

1044
00:47:27,110 --> 00:47:24,060
by anybody just what what that means if

1045
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:27,120
if we find ourselves detecting these et

1046
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:30,330
incursions as as thousands of people

1047
00:47:34,610 --> 00:47:32,520
tell us every year see well does that

1048
00:47:37,340 --> 00:47:34,620
bring something to mind that that has

1049
00:47:39,620 --> 00:47:37,350
always puzzled me and that is the

1050
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:39,630
possibility of a sizable percent

1051
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:43,110
each of these unknowns could possibly be

1052
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:44,970
some sort of exotic earthbound

1053
00:47:50,770 --> 00:47:47,130
technology that's being tested and

1054
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:50,780
possibly being being made operational

1055
00:47:57,110 --> 00:47:54,000
that is then sighted by pilots but is

1056
00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:57,120
spotted by witnesses and you know of

1057
00:48:00,380 --> 00:47:58,650
course the automatic assumption is that

1058
00:48:02,450 --> 00:48:00,390
these are off planet intelligences

1059
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:02,460
operating with impunity within our

1060
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:05,970
airspace have you guys seen in your

1061
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:10,160
database a like a an increase in

1062
00:48:16,370 --> 00:48:14,370
sighting events that maybe these types

1063
00:48:19,010 --> 00:48:16,380
of black projects that say Hera exotic

1064
00:48:20,930 --> 00:48:19,020
aerial technology it's probable that

1065
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:20,940
some of the profiles in our databases

1066
00:48:28,010 --> 00:48:24,210
are representative of black projects

1067
00:48:29,540 --> 00:48:28,020
with one kind or another it whenever we

1068
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:29,550
think we might be looking at something

1069
00:48:34,550 --> 00:48:32,970
like that we withdraw from it we have an

1070
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:34,560
obligation to respect the government

1071
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:37,530
expect you know our our security and not

1072
00:48:45,220 --> 00:48:41,910
dig into things that are easily or that

1073
00:48:48,410 --> 00:48:45,230
the world is shouldn't really know about

1074
00:48:50,810 --> 00:48:48,420
and when we don't have a lot of cases

1075
00:48:54,110 --> 00:48:50,820
like that I mean most of the cases that

1076
00:48:57,470 --> 00:48:54,120
we see bit-bit the Hynek standard of pi

1077
00:49:01,940 --> 00:48:57,480
strangeness they fall into that general

1078
00:49:02,900 --> 00:49:01,950
category but like I said if we thought

1079
00:49:04,610 --> 00:49:02,910
we were dealing with anything that was

1080
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:04,620
nationally secured national security Ori

1081
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:06,930
and we would drop it like a hot potato

1082
00:49:12,980 --> 00:49:09,710
we do have problems as as drones and

1083
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:12,990
other types of aircraft or operating in

1084
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,730
US airspace with reports that represent

1085
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:19,440
things that people hadn't seen before

1086
00:49:29,060 --> 00:49:23,520
and or a challenge to us to weed out of

1087
00:49:34,420 --> 00:49:29,070
the old data we put we we recently did a

1088
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:34,430
study examining drone activity and

1089
00:49:38,930 --> 00:49:36,510
asking ourselves whether we could

1090
00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:38,940
determine drones from UAP and how we

1091
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:43,740
might do that so it's a concern well

1092
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:45,450
that raises a very big question here

1093
00:49:49,580 --> 00:49:47,520
which is the guilty knowledge on the

1094
00:49:53,229 --> 00:49:49,590
part of the government I mean this stuff

1095
00:49:57,650 --> 00:49:53,239
has been going on at least since 1947

1096
00:50:00,559 --> 00:49:57,660
67 years and possibly for many years

1097
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:00,569
before that so I'm gonna ask you we're

1098
00:50:03,529 --> 00:50:01,890
going to have to break in a little over

1099
00:50:05,329 --> 00:50:03,539
a minute so we can start the answer here

1100
00:50:09,380 --> 00:50:05,339
and pick it up in our next segment and

1101
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:09,390
that is do you have any suspicion of

1102
00:50:14,089 --> 00:50:12,329
what sort of guilty knowledge the

1103
00:50:15,799 --> 00:50:14,099
government's really have about what's

1104
00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:15,809
going on hmm

1105
00:50:24,739 --> 00:50:21,569
well yes to a point I mean the US Air

1106
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:24,749
Force was founded in September of 1947

1107
00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:27,209
with early marching orders to acquire

1108
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:29,849
intelligence information on flying discs

1109
00:50:34,189 --> 00:50:32,400
and so on and that was based on a lot of

1110
00:50:37,249 --> 00:50:34,199
information that had been acquired prior

1111
00:50:38,929 --> 00:50:37,259
to that by the military I think the

1112
00:50:42,130 --> 00:50:38,939
phenomenon has been around all of the

1113
00:50:45,620 --> 00:50:42,140
reports increased as we filled it at all

1114
00:50:48,890 --> 00:50:45,630
central reporting and you see the bell

1115
00:50:53,089 --> 00:50:48,900
curve go up in the mid 40s we as we move

1116
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:53,099
out into the lock so so to a point I

1117
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:55,169
would say yes there there is some guilty

1118
00:50:59,539 --> 00:50:56,729
knowledge there somebody knows something

1119
00:51:02,299 --> 00:50:59,549
or suspect something but but again it's

1120
00:51:05,630 --> 00:51:02,309
hard to tell how far apart how deep that

1121
00:51:07,849 --> 00:51:05,640
goes we have you've seen how incompetent

1122
00:51:09,709 --> 00:51:07,859
government can be so I have to wonder

1123
00:51:12,739 --> 00:51:09,719
about how competent they would be

1124
00:51:14,569 --> 00:51:12,749
something so big so basically here it

1125
00:51:17,479 --> 00:51:14,579
may be they're so incompetent they

1126
00:51:19,489 --> 00:51:17,489
couldn't even recognize the existence of

1127
00:51:21,529 --> 00:51:19,499
something strange if it was staring at

1128
00:51:24,169 --> 00:51:21,539
them in the face I will ask more

1129
00:51:26,539 --> 00:51:24,179
questions about this man Chris in our

1130
00:51:28,729 --> 00:51:26,549
next segment we have Tedrow of north cap

1131
00:51:37,310 --> 00:51:28,739
with Gene and Chris you're in the para

1132
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:40,970
little right a little laugh but always

1133
00:51:48,540 --> 00:51:43,690
independent-minded the genesis

1134
00:51:50,339 --> 00:51:48,550
communications network GC Henry Ford

1135
00:51:52,050 --> 00:51:50,349
once said a man who stops advertising

1136
00:51:52,980 --> 00:51:52,060
save money is like a man who stops a

1137
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clock to save time

1138
00:51:56,849 --> 00:51:54,580
Alex Castle here the National Account

1139
00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:56,859
Executive at GCN I have the ability to

1140
00:52:00,210 --> 00:51:58,570
customize a national radio campaign

1141
00:52:02,130 --> 00:52:00,220
based on your budget while targeting

1142
00:52:03,630 --> 00:52:02,140
your demographic contact me to find out

1143
00:52:05,220 --> 00:52:03,640
how national radio can help your

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1145
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1148
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1150
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1151
00:52:22,410 --> 00:52:20,859
wondered why banks stockbrokers

1152
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investment advisors won't talk about

1153
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1154
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1155
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1156
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1157
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outperformed paper investments yet no

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word about IRAs if you would like to

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[Applause]

1170
00:54:02,540 --> 00:53:58,830
welcome back to to the para cast the

1171
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:02,550
gold standard of paranormal radio and

1172
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:11,760
now here's Jane Steinberg on the para

1173
00:54:15,410 --> 00:54:13,650
cast with Jean and Cris Tedrow the

1174
00:54:18,250 --> 00:54:15,420
executive director of noir cap joins us

1175
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:18,260
and we've got so much to discuss so

1176
00:54:22,250 --> 00:54:20,490
obviously we can see where the

1177
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:22,260
government can sometimes do things right

1178
00:54:27,830 --> 00:54:24,690
and when it comes to the VA do things

1179
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:27,840
very wrong so is there the suspicion

1180
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:30,210
here that the US government particularly

1181
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:32,850
is not competent enough to recognize the

1182
00:54:37,850 --> 00:54:34,530
existence of something really strange

1183
00:54:40,850 --> 00:54:37,860
really significant out there well it it

1184
00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:40,860
might be but it could also suffocate any

1185
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:44,040
dialogue about it and its own ranks for

1186
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:46,200
example we have these UFO research teams

1187
00:54:51,710 --> 00:54:49,110
in France and in Chile which are

1188
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:51,720
mandated to study these things and to

1189
00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:53,610
provide information to the to their

1190
00:54:58,130 --> 00:54:56,760
their public and their their tolerated

1191
00:55:00,230 --> 00:54:58,140
within their government but their

1192
00:55:03,290 --> 00:55:00,240
recommendations and their studies and

1193
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:03,300
and so on don't carry a lot of weight so

1194
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:05,370
when we have the same kind of problem

1195
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:07,650
here you know where these things are

1196
00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:10,170
seen and it's probable that the military

1197
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:12,510
had quite a lot of activity around my

1198
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:15,330
father was involved in a UH a UFO

1199
00:55:21,860 --> 00:55:18,450
pursuits squadron of refitted Sabre jets

1200
00:55:23,660 --> 00:55:21,870
out of El Toro back in the mid fifties I

1201
00:55:25,460 --> 00:55:23,670
think it was and he said they never

1202
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:25,470
found anything but but it was run by the

1203
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:27,810
Air Force out of marine air air force

1204
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:30,210
base that marine air base they were

1205
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:33,900
tasked with actually chasing after UFOs

1206
00:55:39,860 --> 00:55:37,110
right they had refitted Sabre jets into

1207
00:55:42,050 --> 00:55:39,870
two-seaters with a radar operator in the

1208
00:55:43,940 --> 00:55:42,060
back and my dad was fresh out of air

1209
00:55:46,460 --> 00:55:43,950
traffic control school and they were

1210
00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:46,470
grabbing radar operators out of that to

1211
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,040
fly on these sorties against

1212
00:55:53,330 --> 00:55:50,880
unidentifieds when they thought they had

1213
00:55:56,510 --> 00:55:53,340
them so they took them real seriously

1214
00:55:59,420 --> 00:55:56,520
then well certainly and air force bases

1215
00:56:02,000 --> 00:55:59,430
into the 60s and 70s had every one of

1216
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:02,010
them had a UFO officer somebody who was

1217
00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:04,650
tasked with dealing UFO on the bases and

1218
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:08,910
when there were encounters with UAP they

1219
00:56:12,590 --> 00:56:10,650
would crate up the aircraft itself and

1220
00:56:15,020 --> 00:56:12,600
ship it off to god-knows-where and along

1221
00:56:16,490 --> 00:56:15,030
fall relevant reporting so you know

1222
00:56:19,580 --> 00:56:16,500
there's been an interest in this all

1223
00:56:22,220 --> 00:56:19,590
along but my concern is that that really

1224
00:56:24,830 --> 00:56:22,230
the the focus has been sort of moved out

1225
00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:24,840
of government into private industry and

1226
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,480
if anybody's calling any shots in this

1227
00:56:32,270 --> 00:56:30,480
area it's probably in the the

1228
00:56:34,490 --> 00:56:32,280
contractors that provide the sensing

1229
00:56:36,170 --> 00:56:34,500
platforms for the government and operate

1230
00:56:38,090 --> 00:56:36,180
them on contract for the government

1231
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:38,100
they're the ones that probably detect

1232
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:39,570
these things and see what's going on

1233
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:41,850
they're more likely I would think to be

1234
00:56:47,090 --> 00:56:44,850
in the know on these matters than even

1235
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,100
the government itself might be a certain

1236
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:49,440
military aspect should probably include

1237
00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:51,810
in certain intelligence aspects were

1238
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:53,730
probably aware as well this is all

1239
00:56:58,310 --> 00:56:56,370
speculation you know but but it seems

1240
00:57:00,560 --> 00:56:58,320
there's a rich history of government

1241
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:00,570
interest in this subject and hasn't been

1242
00:57:05,300 --> 00:57:02,880
very forthcoming about it so we're left

1243
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:05,310
to speculate the implication being here

1244
00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:08,640
they've outsourced UFO research they

1245
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:10,440
could very well have and not necessarily

1246
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:12,810
done it voluntarily how so not

1247
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:13,650
voluntarily

1248
00:57:17,870 --> 00:57:16,140
well you know the corporations are very

1249
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:17,880
powerful you know I I somehow I warn

1250
00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:19,910
this is a military-industrial complex

1251
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:22,710
actually outweighing national interest

1252
00:57:30,050 --> 00:57:27,930
you know in that the issue of having

1253
00:57:35,410 --> 00:57:30,060
control over and control over our

1254
00:57:40,190 --> 00:57:38,630
domination and it wouldn't it wouldn't

1255
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:40,200
surprise me at all that those who are

1256
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:41,730
tasked with building these black

1257
00:57:46,670 --> 00:57:43,770
projects or the government Oh

1258
00:57:49,940 --> 00:57:46,680
at some point could have gained control

1259
00:57:50,950 --> 00:57:49,950
over the information itself right and

1260
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:50,960
that would be out of the reach of

1261
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:53,730
Freedom of Information requests and and

1262
00:58:00,860 --> 00:57:58,050
any sort of attempt by you know the

1263
00:58:03,890 --> 00:58:00,870
private sector to try to gain

1264
00:58:06,980 --> 00:58:03,900
information from proprietary companies

1265
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:06,990
that have no obligation to supply that

1266
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:08,730
information answers the questions that

1267
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:10,680
sort of things so it would make sense to

1268
00:58:15,620 --> 00:58:13,680
me that's a great way to keep it as out

1269
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:15,630
of reach and compartmentalized as

1270
00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:18,720
possible absolutely and then and then

1271
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:19,710
there's another way to look

1272
00:58:25,550 --> 00:58:23,010
got it too if the if if it was decided

1273
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:25,560
amongst the intelligence community that

1274
00:58:29,630 --> 00:58:27,690
there was truly a threat related to the

1275
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:29,640
matter like the Robertson panel

1276
00:58:38,329 --> 00:58:35,010
suggested that and and but but more than

1277
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:38,339
what the Robertson panel suggested their

1278
00:58:44,810 --> 00:58:42,210
first concern was the you know the when

1279
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:44,820
when discussing a possible et incursion

1280
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:49,200
was the so if this information somehow

1281
00:58:53,930 --> 00:58:50,880
was determined to be detrimental to

1282
00:58:56,180 --> 00:58:53,940
human society they probably wouldn't

1283
00:58:58,579 --> 00:58:56,190
even want any aspect of the information

1284
00:59:01,120 --> 00:58:58,589
getting into human society if they

1285
00:59:05,180 --> 00:59:01,130
thought that that influenced by an

1286
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:05,190
extraterrestrial intelligence would be

1287
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:07,680
toxic to humanity they wouldn't even

1288
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:09,690
allow the discussion of the possibility

1289
00:59:16,010 --> 00:59:13,200
of listing manifest assume is competent

1290
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:16,020
enough to even realize that well if they

1291
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:17,970
are I mean if that's their logic you

1292
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:19,770
know that then it's a tactical

1293
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:20,810
consideration

1294
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:26,880
managed by a resistance so then you'll

1295
00:59:29,210 --> 00:59:27,930
find yourself wondering if you're

1296
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:29,220
second-guessing things you shouldn't be

1297
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:34,650
talking about a go home and the answer

1298
00:59:40,099 --> 00:59:38,010
is really we don't know and the best way

1299
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:40,109
I know of to get these answers is just

1300
00:59:45,950 --> 00:59:42,690
to do science to do the work to build

1301
00:59:48,140 --> 00:59:45,960
the data to understand the situation and

1302
00:59:49,820 --> 00:59:48,150
all of its nuances and then come to a

1303
00:59:52,579 --> 00:59:49,830
good conclusion about what it is you're

1304
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:52,589
dealing with that's effective and safe

1305
01:00:01,060 --> 00:59:56,730
and it has the best interests of

1306
01:00:04,060 --> 01:00:01,070
humanity in mind well this is not a new

1307
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:04,070
problem that the government has either

1308
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:06,690
publicly or privately been concerned

1309
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:09,180
with back in World War two and then

1310
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:11,369
after World War two we had the onset of

1311
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:15,690
a very intriguing phenomenal events that

1312
01:00:20,660 --> 01:00:17,609
were dubbed in in the case of World War

1313
01:00:22,490 --> 01:00:20,670
two Foo Fighters and then later on in

1314
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:22,500
Sweden we had the ghost rocket a

1315
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:25,890
scenario which also included possibility

1316
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:27,690
of like ghost planes and that sort of

1317
01:00:33,550 --> 01:00:31,730
thing now what is NAR caps official

1318
01:00:35,410 --> 01:00:33,560
opinion and what is your

1319
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:35,420
personal opinion of what these Foo

1320
01:00:39,940 --> 01:00:37,310
Fighter objects reported by pilots in

1321
01:00:41,890 --> 01:00:39,950
World War two work well you know the Foo

1322
01:00:43,660 --> 01:00:41,900
Fighter terms I remember correctly came

1323
01:00:46,780 --> 01:00:43,670
out of a Black Widow squadron that was

1324
01:00:50,130 --> 01:00:46,790
operating off the coast of Japan I

1325
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:50,140
believe and they were encountering up

1326
01:00:57,210 --> 01:00:52,730
UAP that that we're giving them radar

1327
01:00:59,590 --> 01:00:57,220
returns and they called them pipes there

1328
01:01:02,260 --> 01:00:59,600
there were also reports in the bomber

1329
01:01:04,990 --> 01:01:02,270
squadrons of all the participants in the

1330
01:01:08,620 --> 01:01:05,000
European theater and the Japanese as

1331
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:08,630
well that that encountered UAP of lights

1332
01:01:15,850 --> 01:01:11,570
and objects in the course of their

1333
01:01:17,140 --> 01:01:15,860
missions and so again this kind of tells

1334
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:17,150
me that the phenomena has been around

1335
01:01:25,060 --> 01:01:19,810
for a while what they were I don't know

1336
01:01:27,220 --> 01:01:25,070
these organized plasmas I mean the list

1337
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:27,230
could be anything that could be of an

1338
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:28,850
energetic relationship between the

1339
01:01:33,250 --> 01:01:31,010
aircraft and the environment well one of

1340
01:01:37,180 --> 01:01:33,260
our researchers of Richard Spaulding

1341
01:01:40,660 --> 01:01:37,190
offered a study of that particular focus

1342
01:01:41,500 --> 01:01:40,670
to the project's peer analysis and it's

1343
01:01:45,580 --> 01:01:41,510
a bit provocative

1344
01:01:48,730 --> 01:01:45,590
he works for Sandia Labs atmospheric

1345
01:01:50,980 --> 01:01:48,740
physicist but there there are there are

1346
01:01:52,780 --> 01:01:50,990
some ideas but but again we have to work

1347
01:01:55,660 --> 01:01:52,790
the nuances we have to actually do that

1348
01:01:58,270 --> 01:01:55,670
do the work and to have anything to

1349
01:02:01,360 --> 01:01:58,280
suggest in my own personal opinion I I

1350
01:02:03,100 --> 01:02:01,370
think that it's it it's consistent with

1351
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:03,110
what's being reported right up to the

1352
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present and that recently the

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Argentinean government tasked a team to

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study UAP phenomena and we received a

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compendium of two AP reports involving

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aviation safety from from the

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Argentinians and they're just the same

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01:02:27,070 --> 01:02:25,280
types of reports that we have here you

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01:02:28,990 --> 01:02:27,080
know they're they're they're they're

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01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:29,000
really no different you could be reading

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except for the Hispanic names you would

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01:02:36,100 --> 01:02:32,780
be reading the same kinds of reports

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01:02:37,650 --> 01:02:36,110
that we have here in the u.s. back over

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50 years

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we have a report in our our files in

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1926 of a guy who was accosted by six

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blind manhole covers as he called

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01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:50,119
so again the jury's out in terms of what

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01:02:56,289 --> 01:02:54,530
they are but but they are I think long

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01:02:58,750 --> 01:02:56,299
term listeners to the parent caste are

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01:03:00,910 --> 01:02:58,760
quite aware of this but I realize some

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of you have not listened to the show all

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these years some of you are new

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01:03:08,140 --> 01:03:05,809
listeners so let me just say this again

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you know when you say flying manhole

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covers I start thinking about certain

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UFO photographs that we all know about

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and we're not going to mention

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especially certain photographs from the

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so called one-armed man in Europe then

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we don't want to mention his name or the

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twins that shall not be named in Hawaii

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yeah we don't he knows what we're

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talking about

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definitely with it from north cap with

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to mention those twins and about the

1482
01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:16,100
fact that they cast a bad light on

1483
01:08:22,599 --> 01:08:18,319
people in Hawaii but they also film

1484
01:08:24,490 --> 01:08:22,609
Hawaii five-o there oh yeah alright and

1485
01:08:26,650 --> 01:08:24,500
I see dog driving around here every now

1486
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:26,660
and then too he lives here Aaliyah who's

1487
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:29,930
that dog the bound on the bone oh yeah

1488
01:08:36,099 --> 01:08:34,640
kind of hard to miss yeah he kind of

1489
01:08:38,980 --> 01:08:36,109
started with this in the last segment

1490
01:08:40,990 --> 01:08:38,990
and maybe we should talk about it since

1491
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:41,000
Nora calf has been around now what over

1492
01:08:46,930 --> 01:08:44,690
14 years can you mention maybe one or

1493
01:08:51,070 --> 01:08:46,940
two of the best cases you've gotten well

1494
01:08:52,690 --> 01:08:51,080
sure we have one we've been doing photo

1495
01:08:56,289 --> 01:08:52,700
analysis that's one of dr. Haines

1496
01:08:59,410 --> 01:08:56,299
forties and one of our photo analysis

1497
01:09:02,349 --> 01:08:59,420
cases I think is pretty good it involves

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an airliner coming in on approach to San

1499
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Jose International in this in the South

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Bay Area San Francisco and it's coming

1501
01:09:15,820 --> 01:09:12,140
over the San Bruno and there was a group

1502
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of astronomers who were set up at that

1503
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:16,549
sunset

1504
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:18,799
had what was at the time a very

1505
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expensive and powerful camera and notice

1506
01:09:26,260 --> 01:09:24,080
that a small ball of light was following

1507
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:26,270
us airline and proceeded to take a

1508
01:09:31,240 --> 01:09:29,930
series of pictures of the this thing as

1509
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:31,250
it pulled up under the tail of the

1510
01:09:35,559 --> 01:09:33,650
airliner and sort of parked there for a

1511
01:09:39,370 --> 01:09:35,569
little bit and then broke away and left

1512
01:09:41,860 --> 01:09:39,380
at a leak angle I think it's one of the

1513
01:09:43,599 --> 01:09:41,870
one of the best photo cases we've got in

1514
01:09:46,749 --> 01:09:43,609
our files in terms of explaining just

1515
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:46,759
what it is we're looking at and and and

1516
01:09:56,770 --> 01:09:52,250
how what what one profile AP may be it I

1517
01:09:58,570 --> 01:09:56,780
think it's a very case other cases we've

1518
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:58,580
we've done some work for the Chilean

1519
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:01,280
government and we did a at their request

1520
01:10:08,890 --> 01:10:05,570
oh we did a study of some video segments

1521
01:10:11,980 --> 01:10:08,900
referred to as the el Bosque case

1522
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:11,990
and that's available on capp website you

1523
01:10:16,900 --> 01:10:15,290
have to go into the sefa section section

1524
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:16,910
where we talk about a relationship with

1525
01:10:21,660 --> 01:10:17,600
the chileans

1526
01:10:25,420 --> 01:10:21,670
but it's in the case files there and

1527
01:10:28,980 --> 01:10:25,430
it's analysis of video shot during an

1528
01:10:32,470 --> 01:10:28,990
air show by the Chilean Air Force and

1529
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:32,480
the capture of some very high-speed UAP

1530
01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:35,690
moved jumping from frame to frame I had

1531
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:38,510
30 frames per second we came back

1532
01:10:43,690 --> 01:10:40,970
thinking that yes those were UAP but for

1533
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:43,700
four different analysis were done of the

1534
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:46,010
study and two of them came back negative

1535
01:10:50,110 --> 01:10:48,170
and two came back positive

1536
01:10:53,410 --> 01:10:50,120
so the Chileans declared its

1537
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:53,420
inconclusive and III think we got to be

1538
01:10:58,350 --> 01:10:54,890
a little careful about those types of

1539
01:11:00,130 --> 01:10:58,360
conclusions and how we score cases but I

1540
01:11:02,500 --> 01:11:00,140
thought it was a particularly

1541
01:11:04,810 --> 01:11:02,510
interesting case all right you say

1542
01:11:07,780 --> 01:11:04,820
assume that you say to negative meaning

1543
01:11:09,850 --> 01:11:07,790
that they were fake no that that that

1544
01:11:12,730 --> 01:11:09,860
the belief was that the camera was

1545
01:11:18,340 --> 01:11:12,740
picking up insects and facts that were

1546
01:11:20,890 --> 01:11:18,350
external so there we we determined that

1547
01:11:23,740 --> 01:11:20,900
that though the cameras were set or

1548
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:23,750
apart that on at least one occasion they

1549
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:27,890
captured the same object at the same

1550
01:11:34,930 --> 01:11:31,760
time and and there's a number of

1551
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:34,940
examples of what we what we film that we

1552
01:11:40,570 --> 01:11:37,130
do not what we analyze that we do not

1553
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:40,580
believe are insects that we did pixel

1554
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:42,050
stretching around it to see if there

1555
01:11:46,090 --> 01:11:43,280
were weak beats and this kind of stuff

1556
01:11:48,460 --> 01:11:46,100
in their work so you know in our

1557
01:11:50,380 --> 01:11:48,470
perspective we came down with a solid

1558
01:11:52,060 --> 01:11:50,390
yeah those are you ap they're moving

1559
01:11:54,250 --> 01:11:52,070
they're jumping from frame to frame

1560
01:11:59,560 --> 01:11:54,260
fractions of a second they're very fast

1561
01:12:02,800 --> 01:11:59,570
they weren't very big disc-shaped maybe

1562
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:02,810
peter across and all kinds of questions

1563
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:04,880
could arise from that are the actual

1564
01:12:10,510 --> 01:12:07,610
pictures posted on lions that are the

1565
01:12:13,300 --> 01:12:10,520
system check yes um actually I had

1566
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:13,310
intended to get up the I actually

1567
01:12:16,690 --> 01:12:14,690
collected a bunch of this information

1568
01:12:19,090 --> 01:12:16,700
based on your listeners questions and I

1569
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:19,100
had it prepared to go on your I'm just

1570
01:12:22,570 --> 01:12:21,290
gonna post it on your site well you know

1571
01:12:25,690 --> 01:12:22,580
what why don't you do that but

1572
01:12:29,020 --> 01:12:25,700
when the time the show airs yeah now

1573
01:12:32,250 --> 01:12:29,030
that way when listeners go to forum dr.

1574
01:12:35,020 --> 01:12:32,260
Peric ascom will have a section right

1575
01:12:36,340 --> 01:12:35,030
for an arc cap a different one from the

1576
01:12:37,900 --> 01:12:36,350
questions section we already have a

1577
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:37,910
section there just four people have

1578
01:12:43,540 --> 01:12:40,850
questions on the show we'll set a thread

1579
01:12:45,310 --> 01:12:43,550
or a topic area where people can discuss

1580
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:45,320
the show and there you can post any

1581
01:12:49,300 --> 01:12:47,690
further responses links to photographs

1582
01:12:51,340 --> 01:12:49,310
that kind of thing sure that's that

1583
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:51,350
that's fine so to answer your question

1584
01:12:57,490 --> 01:12:52,970
you have the studies posted on the north

1585
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:57,500
cap side in the SEPA section section now

1586
01:13:01,390 --> 01:12:59,120
that's interesting here too the fact is

1587
01:13:04,060 --> 01:13:01,400
that you're able to work with the

1588
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:04,070
authorities in Chile able to work with

1589
01:13:10,710 --> 01:13:07,760
authorities say in other countries but

1590
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:10,720
not in America that's right that's right

1591
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:15,130
the aim manual the Airman's manual

1592
01:13:19,330 --> 01:13:17,690
basically spells it out and says that

1593
01:13:22,300 --> 01:13:19,340
you if you're a pilot or an air

1594
01:13:25,290 --> 01:13:22,310
controller you are or to UFO you can

1595
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:25,300
contact a UFO Reporting Center or

1596
01:13:30,580 --> 01:13:28,210
aerospace company will remain unnamed

1597
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:30,590
and they don't want to know the one

1598
01:13:37,660 --> 01:13:33,730
that's uh name is that like Bigelow yeah

1599
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:37,670
okay my point is that nothing is going

1600
01:13:42,340 --> 01:13:39,440
to come up that will help aviation

1601
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:42,350
safety or help pilots doesn't this also

1602
01:13:47,770 --> 01:13:45,410
serve as a disincentive pilots report

1603
01:13:50,710 --> 01:13:47,780
anything I mentioned this on a previous

1604
01:13:52,330 --> 01:13:50,720
show about this that we have that

1605
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:52,340
telltale scene in Close Encounters of

1606
01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:54,650
the Third Kind where the traffic

1607
01:13:59,530 --> 01:13:56,450
controllers are in touch with these

1608
01:14:01,180 --> 01:13:59,540
poets reporting UFOs and they asked do

1609
01:14:04,210 --> 01:14:01,190
you want to report a UFO and they say no

1610
01:14:06,370 --> 01:14:04,220
I wonder how many good sightings are

1611
01:14:09,070 --> 01:14:06,380
never reported because the pilots don't

1612
01:14:12,010 --> 01:14:09,080
want to get involved it's pretty clear

1613
01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:12,020
from our experience that that it's we're

1614
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:13,310
looking at the tip of a very large

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iceberg and as pilots learn about in US

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01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:19,880
they report to us and it's usually soon

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01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:22,640
after they retire it gets rare that we

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01:14:26,290 --> 01:14:24,170
get a working case we don't get them

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01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:26,300
that often that are with we have to have

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01:14:30,270 --> 01:14:28,490
we have to hear about the case within

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two weeks of the event so that we can

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foil request radar data and that's kind

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of stuff from the FAA audio tapes and

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that sort of

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and it we don't get those very often we

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do get them sometimes but not very often

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01:14:47,670 --> 01:14:44,320
usually our reporters are concerned

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about their image and we'll wait until

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their peak they can talk about it

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without affecting their career

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well how much cooperation have you

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received from the commercial pilot

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organizations and commercial aviation

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I'm sure you've done an outreach program

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you know urging pilots to come forward

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or aircraft traffic controllers to come

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forward with any pertinent information

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regarding UAP sightings how how

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cooperative have you found the aviation

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community to be well when you're dealing

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with pilots and retired pilots like like

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retired and Pilots Association well that

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sort of thing it isn't too too difficult

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but when you start dealing with

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administrators and managers middle

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managers and FAA for example or in in

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commercial airlines themselves it gets a

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little dicey we did a survey of pilots

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and aircrews we approached a number of

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commercial airlines and didn't want

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anything to do with us then one airline

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took us on a regional air carrier and

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made sure that we ended up in the

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mailboxes of everybody in the the ready

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rooms and so on it we had a almost 26

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percent response rate which is

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practically unheard of for surveys and

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out of that we did get some helpful data

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on so it it really uh it seems to bury

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with the the culture of the commercial

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organization the FAA on the other hand

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are just dogged ly not interested a

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you are listening to the podcast during

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the power castes with Jeanne and Chris

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we have Tedrow executive director of

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narc app we're focusing on the strange

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phenomena happening in our skies and

1769
01:21:19,590 --> 01:21:15,790
some call it UFOs but we're referring to

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I guess the more serious stuff isn't it

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01:21:24,540 --> 01:21:21,280
also true that when you talk about UFOs

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it has kind of a an aura about like

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flying saucers once did where you say

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01:21:33,570 --> 01:21:29,620
UFO and they look at it and say ah

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hahaha spaceships but once you refer to

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it in a different way

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01:21:40,470 --> 01:21:37,840
strange phenomena it's taken more

1778
01:21:44,580 --> 01:21:40,480
seriously well that was our experience

1779
01:21:46,050 --> 01:21:44,590
once we adopted the term UAP in 2000 you

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01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:46,060
I mean you could go back to the internet

1781
01:21:51,150 --> 01:21:48,880
archives and see that no no us

1782
01:21:54,630 --> 01:21:51,160
organization was using that term and now

1783
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:54,640
it's commonplace everywhere and it's

1784
01:22:00,780 --> 01:21:57,730
specifically because it has a objective

1785
01:22:06,420 --> 01:22:00,790
objective quality which it may be losing

1786
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:06,430
a bit given using the term but yeah

1787
01:22:12,330 --> 01:22:08,170
there's there's definitely a stigma

1788
01:22:15,810 --> 01:22:12,340
which the term UFO and it's one that we

1789
01:22:17,940 --> 01:22:15,820
try to avoid using with it all possible

1790
01:22:19,980 --> 01:22:17,950
particularly in conversations with

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01:22:22,170 --> 01:22:19,990
government that sort of thing we did a

1792
01:22:25,170 --> 01:22:22,180
study for the the General Accounting

1793
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:25,180
Office interrogating the Air Force on

1794
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:27,250
uncorrelated incursions into u.s. air

1795
01:22:32,220 --> 01:22:29,410
defense zones we spent three years on

1796
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:32,230
that project and and at the time we

1797
01:22:39,210 --> 01:22:35,410
didn't use the term UFO at all I don't

1798
01:22:42,750 --> 01:22:39,220
think it's it's really important it can

1799
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:42,760
a lien eight people create crops if you

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01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:45,130
don't understand your terminal know your

1801
01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:48,250
audience that's really important we do

1802
01:22:52,500 --> 01:22:50,080
have a number of questions as you're

1803
01:22:54,420 --> 01:22:52,510
aware of Ted at forum dr. Peric ascom

1804
01:22:56,580 --> 01:22:54,430
where our listeners are able to post

1805
01:22:59,850 --> 01:22:56,590
questions for our guests and Eric the

1806
01:23:02,310 --> 01:22:59,860
red who is one of our new signups here

1807
01:23:03,810 --> 01:23:02,320
at F formed off the podcast comm he's

1808
01:23:05,729 --> 01:23:03,820
been he's been with this about you

1809
01:23:09,419 --> 01:23:05,739
and half he has a couple of interesting

1810
01:23:11,609 --> 01:23:09,429
questions and and in this I think kind

1811
01:23:13,890 --> 01:23:11,619
of goes into the whole mindset of the

1812
01:23:16,859 --> 01:23:13,900
skeptic and he's wondering if you and

1813
01:23:19,379 --> 01:23:16,869
dr. Haynes having a hypothesis as to why

1814
01:23:22,950 --> 01:23:19,389
many or most skeptics refused to admit

1815
01:23:25,290 --> 01:23:22,960
the reality of you AP's well well it's

1816
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:25,300
probably I'm sure the reason is fairly

1817
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:27,280
similar to why many people are true

1818
01:23:31,649 --> 01:23:29,530
believers without direct experience and

1819
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:31,659
without the evidence they need to make

1820
01:23:36,300 --> 01:23:34,690
the claims they claim I don't we've been

1821
01:23:38,810 --> 01:23:36,310
invited to debate with Michael Shermer

1822
01:23:42,620 --> 01:23:38,820
some of these other guides and just

1823
01:23:47,010 --> 01:23:42,630
nothing good comes of it so we decline

1824
01:23:48,450 --> 01:23:47,020
there they have an agenda they have a

1825
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:48,460
perspective I don't think the term

1826
01:23:57,419 --> 01:23:53,170
skeptic is accurate a skeptic is open to

1827
01:23:59,310 --> 01:23:57,429
the potentials and that's not what what

1828
01:24:01,890 --> 01:23:59,320
we see with these folks they consider

1829
01:24:04,290 --> 01:24:01,900
themselves the Vanguard's of rationalism

1830
01:24:07,709 --> 01:24:04,300
and you know they're they're just

1831
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:07,719
another aspect of what happens when we

1832
01:24:14,250 --> 01:24:12,010
don't engage the unknown honestly it's

1833
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:14,260
just part of the problem along with a

1834
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:16,000
lot of other problems around study

1835
01:24:22,050 --> 01:24:18,639
that's kind of hard to see a UAP if you

1836
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:22,060
have your head buried in the sand well

1837
01:24:28,410 --> 01:24:24,010
you know and that's true but at the same

1838
01:24:30,839 --> 01:24:28,420
time my experience just I kept sort of

1839
01:24:32,430 --> 01:24:30,849
an unofficial poll and seems to be about

1840
01:24:36,319 --> 01:24:32,440
one in six people have direct experience

1841
01:24:40,770 --> 01:24:36,329
with more than three times while in six

1842
01:24:42,419 --> 01:24:40,780
yeah has seen one themselves an Indian

1843
01:24:44,700 --> 01:24:42,429
that's just informal I just kind of chat

1844
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:44,710
my way along see who pops up and says

1845
01:24:49,620 --> 01:24:47,199
they saw something and kind of what the

1846
01:24:52,620 --> 01:24:49,630
odds are there it's very informal but

1847
01:24:54,060 --> 01:24:52,630
you know my point is is it that there's

1848
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:54,070
no given that you could I mean you could

1849
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:55,570
spend every day looking up and not see

1850
01:25:02,669 --> 01:24:58,480
it well nowadays everybody's looking

1851
01:25:07,950 --> 01:25:02,679
down at their iPhone or well well sure

1852
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:07,960
sure you know we don't know what you APR

1853
01:25:12,450 --> 01:25:09,520
and neither do they they can assert all

1854
01:25:14,339 --> 01:25:12,460
sorts of reasons why there are no UAP

1855
01:25:17,460 --> 01:25:14,349
and certainly no incursions taking place

1856
01:25:19,230 --> 01:25:17,470
and I hope they're right but the real

1857
01:25:21,150 --> 01:25:19,240
of modern science doesn't support their

1858
01:25:22,950 --> 01:25:21,160
contentions and the only way out is

1859
01:25:24,810 --> 01:25:22,960
through we have to do the work and get

1860
01:25:26,490 --> 01:25:24,820
the answers and and if they want to sit

1861
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:26,500
on the sidelines and take potshots they

1862
01:25:32,850 --> 01:25:27,280
can do that

1863
01:25:35,490 --> 01:25:32,860
I read Maga 'has recent report on the

1864
01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:35,500
vil and hich matter and it was

1865
01:25:40,290 --> 01:25:38,800
disappointing would you detail that more

1866
01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:40,300
for our listeners who don't know what

1867
01:25:45,330 --> 01:25:41,410
quite what to get me just at the

1868
01:25:48,740 --> 01:25:45,340
anniversary yes yes ready bland touch

1869
01:25:54,090 --> 01:25:48,750
was a young man a pilot flew out of

1870
01:25:56,970 --> 01:25:54,100
Australia one day on a short leg trip

1871
01:25:59,640 --> 01:25:56,980
and ended up disappearing but when he

1872
01:26:01,200 --> 01:25:59,650
did he had a radio transmission and he

1873
01:26:03,690 --> 01:26:01,210
was describing to the air controllers

1874
01:26:09,300 --> 01:26:03,700
that he was seeing a UFO as he described

1875
01:26:12,780 --> 01:26:09,310
it and that it was a costing him and the

1876
01:26:16,260 --> 01:26:12,790
last bit of audio involves metal on

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metal so they're not really sure what

1878
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:19,570
happened to him dr. Haines wrote a book

1879
01:26:23,070 --> 01:26:20,800
about it and he offered four

1880
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:23,080
perspectives including an abduction in

1881
01:26:28,650 --> 01:26:25,210
the air along with three other more

1882
01:26:33,390 --> 01:26:28,660
practical explanations Maga has

1883
01:26:36,140 --> 01:26:33,400
explanations a bit short and prior to

1884
01:26:39,290 --> 01:26:36,150
that the same organization offered

1885
01:26:44,100 --> 01:26:39,300
another explanation that was equally

1886
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:44,110
useless so I you know if these guys were

1887
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:45,370
really skeptics and they were really

1888
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:47,290
good at what they did I'd invite him to

1889
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:49,360
join knockout you know we need good

1890
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:52,090
minds that are able to roll with the

1891
01:26:59,100 --> 01:26:56,290
data and but but I I'm more interested

1892
01:27:01,710 --> 01:26:59,110
in seeing them on board a number of the

1893
01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:01,720
UFO believers and so-called researchers

1894
01:27:07,260 --> 01:27:03,360
out there that I wouldn't lightning

1895
01:27:10,050 --> 01:27:07,270
patient now what about these reality TV

1896
01:27:12,930 --> 01:27:10,060
shows that come on and there been

1897
01:27:14,850 --> 01:27:12,940
several where they seem to all have this

1898
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:14,860
same plot line with a night-vision

1899
01:27:22,530 --> 01:27:19,210
goggles sensationalist approach focusing

1900
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:22,540
on cases that have maybe the buzz value

1901
01:27:29,340 --> 01:27:25,090
of attracting listeners but aren't

1902
01:27:30,990 --> 01:27:29,350
necessarily factual its infotainment to

1903
01:27:33,150 --> 01:27:31,000
sell advertising I don't

1904
01:27:35,370 --> 01:27:33,160
doesn't help us at all I don't spend any

1905
01:27:36,750 --> 01:27:35,380
time watching these things um I don't

1906
01:27:38,940 --> 01:27:36,760
think they have anything really to

1907
01:27:42,060 --> 01:27:38,950
contribute to the conversation they come

1908
01:27:43,740 --> 01:27:42,070
to us for talking points and uh and

1909
01:27:45,870 --> 01:27:43,750
occasionally approach us to participate

1910
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:45,880
in their shows and for the most part we

1911
01:27:50,910 --> 01:27:48,010
don't we've done a couple of things for

1912
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:50,920
National Geographic recently and NHK guy

1913
01:27:56,730 --> 01:27:52,810
came by and we did a segment for them

1914
01:27:58,800 --> 01:27:56,740
they're Greek but but as a whole we tend

1915
01:28:01,640 --> 01:27:58,810
to avoid these these types of

1916
01:28:04,620 --> 01:28:01,650
productions they they they rarely pay

1917
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:04,630
first part or all the time they take to

1918
01:28:09,060 --> 01:28:07,210
have you present and in their production

1919
01:28:10,950 --> 01:28:09,070
well they don't they do supply you with

1920
01:28:13,290 --> 01:28:10,960
a lot of slime that you have to wipe off

1921
01:28:15,900 --> 01:28:13,300
afterwards at all it's disgusting it

1922
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:15,910
really is and and I'm you know I had

1923
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:18,400
nothing personal but I can't say that

1924
01:28:22,380 --> 01:28:20,650
I've been very satisfied with the way

1925
01:28:25,500 --> 01:28:22,390
things have been handled programs I've

1926
01:28:27,540 --> 01:28:25,510
been involved with and I wouldn't

1927
01:28:30,570 --> 01:28:27,550
encourage anybody to do it I think that

1928
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:30,580
the narcissism present in this field is

1929
01:28:37,110 --> 01:28:35,170
just out of control and a lot of a lot

1930
01:28:39,540 --> 01:28:37,120
of books just you know they get invited

1931
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:39,550
to a podium and they can't resist you

1932
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:41,170
know it doesn't matter if they don't

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01:28:43,890 --> 01:28:43,210
have anything to say and no leg to stand

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01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:43,900
on

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you know the fact that they're there

1936
01:28:51,090 --> 01:28:49,540
makes them well credible you know well

1937
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:51,100
they're making a living rather than

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01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:54,250
spreading valuable information and

1939
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:55,930
that's my opinion you know the same with

1940
01:29:02,580 --> 01:28:57,730
UFO conferences for them you could read

1941
01:29:04,740 --> 01:29:02,590
that as UFO shows you know and they're

1942
01:29:06,330 --> 01:29:04,750
not conferences that did people aren't

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01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:06,340
pulling together and breaking out their

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01:29:11,220 --> 01:29:09,250
data and you know marching into new

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01:29:13,170 --> 01:29:11,230
territory and developing project plans

1946
01:29:14,340 --> 01:29:13,180
and coming up with funding and that sort

1947
01:29:16,370 --> 01:29:14,350
of thing that's not what they're doing

1948
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:16,380
which is what a conference is you know

1949
01:29:23,130 --> 01:29:19,930
it's supposed to be yeah yeah so you

1950
01:29:25,980 --> 01:29:23,140
know it's it's more just I don't know I

1951
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:25,990
I don't think it helps one thing it is

1952
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:28,000
is a good indicator of the interest in

1953
01:29:32,850 --> 01:29:30,730
the subject and and that that people are

1954
01:29:34,700 --> 01:29:32,860
struggling with with it believe was

1955
01:29:37,890 --> 01:29:34,710
right when he presented to the UN in

1956
01:29:40,020 --> 01:29:37,900
1978 he suggested that a failure by

1957
01:29:44,850 --> 01:29:40,030
science to engage on the UFO topic would

1958
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:44,860
encourage con men and societal ills of

1959
01:29:49,530 --> 01:29:47,290
various times and it certainly has you

1960
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:49,540
know everything from the heavens

1961
01:29:55,530 --> 01:29:53,250
Heaven's Gate suicides to to a certain

1962
01:29:57,330 --> 01:29:55,540
one-armed researcher in Switzerland do

1963
01:29:59,880 --> 01:29:57,340
you name it there are a lot of books

1964
01:30:02,190 --> 01:29:59,890
taking advantage in the situation um

1965
01:30:03,570 --> 01:30:02,200
okay you got two brothers right there in

1966
01:30:06,530 --> 01:30:03,580
Hawaii that are making a lot of dough

1967
01:30:10,890 --> 01:30:06,540
you know Dean hoaxes and and

1968
01:30:12,810 --> 01:30:10,900
disseminating ridiculous footage and

1969
01:30:15,420 --> 01:30:12,820
photographs that are being passed off as

1970
01:30:18,060 --> 01:30:15,430
real and and to me that does such a

1971
01:30:20,850 --> 01:30:18,070
disservice to the subject and it just it

1972
01:30:22,350 --> 01:30:20,860
digs it deeper into the whole we're

1973
01:30:25,230 --> 01:30:22,360
going to break ourselves out of some

1974
01:30:27,630 --> 01:30:25,240
holes here we have Ted row joining us

1975
01:30:36,500 --> 01:30:27,640
with Jean and Chris you're in the para

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grapevines they collide the network for

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the independent finding the genesis

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communications network G C n first game

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attack of the rockets and it was a

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critically acclaimed success and now

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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out more at Rocko its calm that's rock

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in to the para cast let me tell you what

2086
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you're gonna hear stuff here that you

2087
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probably won't hear anywhere else hear

2088
01:35:08,030 --> 01:35:06,030
that George Tedros executive director at

2089
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north cap we're talking about the

2090
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serious side of research into

2091
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unidentified aerial phenomena for the

2092
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two twins promoting you know I mean

2093
01:35:19,250 --> 01:35:17,340
there are some some actual good

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photographs and good video clips on

2095
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there but for every good one there's

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there's got to be at least fifty they're

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01:35:29,140 --> 01:35:27,390
just absolutely ridiculously transparent

2098
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in terms of it being a hoax or

2099
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:32,820
misidentified natural phenomena well

2100
01:35:36,050 --> 01:35:34,410
well yeah and and there are a lot of

2101
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:36,060
folks taking advantage and not just

2102
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:38,930
those brothers uh there's a certain

2103
01:35:44,690 --> 01:35:41,730
actual politics maven living here on the

2104
01:35:49,790 --> 01:35:44,700
island too that promotes a lot of things

2105
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:49,800
that are unfounded I the the problem is

2106
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:50,880
that people are looking for information

2107
01:35:55,490 --> 01:35:53,610
and there's a lot of information out

2108
01:35:59,420 --> 01:35:55,500
there most of it is incredible or useful

2109
01:36:01,040 --> 01:35:59,430
and and that's why like with NAR cap

2110
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:01,050
I've had to kind of differentiate us

2111
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:05,250
from the the general ufology beetle

2112
01:36:10,430 --> 01:36:08,130
because it hurts our message to be a

2113
01:36:13,310 --> 01:36:10,440
so she ate it because they don't manage

2114
01:36:15,310 --> 01:36:13,320
their own image as well and that that's

2115
01:36:18,770 --> 01:36:15,320
where I got off the worse with the

2116
01:36:20,419 --> 01:36:18,780
citizens hearings recently some of the

2117
01:36:22,010 --> 01:36:20,429
other things that have gone on I was

2118
01:36:25,370 --> 01:36:22,020
gonna ask you about the citizens hearing

2119
01:36:27,610 --> 01:36:25,380
okay so they get ex members of Congress

2120
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:27,620
that participate in faux hearings on

2121
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:30,090
UFOs and to be fair some of the

2122
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:33,330
presenters are pretty straight ahead but

2123
01:36:38,959 --> 01:36:36,210
other presenters maybe very few were a

2124
01:36:40,899 --> 01:36:38,969
little bit of the woe category so you

2125
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:40,909
think this is a waste of time or what

2126
01:36:47,899 --> 01:36:44,850
well if somebody would hand me a million

2127
01:36:50,169 --> 01:36:47,909
dollars for my research budget I could

2128
01:36:54,979 --> 01:36:50,179
probably come up with better information

2129
01:36:59,060 --> 01:36:54,989
more helpful data than a dog and pony

2130
01:37:00,590 --> 01:36:59,070
show like that I mean if I actually had

2131
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:00,600
a research budget that I could work with

2132
01:37:05,750 --> 01:37:04,170
that I could set up closed symposia with

2133
01:37:08,750 --> 01:37:05,760
the top research teams and efforts of

2134
01:37:11,510 --> 01:37:08,760
merit in the world I had the kind of

2135
01:37:13,610 --> 01:37:11,520
budget they would allow me to have the

2136
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:13,620
freedom to travel the way we need to in

2137
01:37:20,870 --> 01:37:15,570
order to cement these relationships into

2138
01:37:24,860 --> 01:37:20,880
a cold less into a larger scientific and

2139
01:37:26,090 --> 01:37:24,870
global discussion on UAP I mean that

2140
01:37:27,530 --> 01:37:26,100
those are the directions that are going

2141
01:37:29,660 --> 01:37:27,540
to make a difference in this you can

2142
01:37:32,450 --> 01:37:29,670
bang on the doors of government all day

2143
01:37:33,820 --> 01:37:32,460
long and hey I mean you know as dr. Phil

2144
01:37:36,260 --> 01:37:33,830
would say how's that working for you

2145
01:37:39,410 --> 01:37:36,270
doesn't it doesn't seem to have made a

2146
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:39,420
lot of difference so well what really

2147
01:37:45,500 --> 01:37:43,130
got me was the final speaker Oh

2148
01:37:49,970 --> 01:37:45,510
presentation of the entire you know five

2149
01:37:52,010 --> 01:37:49,980
six days and it was the Honorable you

2150
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:52,020
know an ex Defense Minister of Canada

2151
01:37:56,510 --> 01:37:54,210
Paul Hellyer and I just couldn't believe

2152
01:37:58,850 --> 01:37:56,520
that he picked up a book of a very

2153
01:38:01,459 --> 01:37:58,860
dubious abductee and started reading

2154
01:38:04,129 --> 01:38:01,469
verbatim what the et's were we're

2155
01:38:08,229 --> 01:38:04,139
telling him and I I just I wanted to do

2156
01:38:11,330 --> 01:38:08,239
the you know the the vaudevillian the

2157
01:38:13,490 --> 01:38:11,340
it's not too graphic it's I'm being I'm

2158
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:13,500
not being graphic enough by I was so

2159
01:38:19,250 --> 01:38:17,489
just jumping up and down inside you know

2160
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:19,260
of course I was there working I has a

2161
01:38:23,930 --> 01:38:21,690
video camera person so I you

2162
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:23,940
I had a job to do but I just the fact

2163
01:38:29,270 --> 01:38:26,250
that bastard allowed that to happen just

2164
01:38:31,729 --> 01:38:29,280
totally any sort of credibility that you

2165
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:31,739
know a few that the presenters had was

2166
01:38:38,810 --> 01:38:33,330
just totally thrown out the window with

2167
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:38,820
these these ridiculous you know comments

2168
01:38:44,900 --> 01:38:41,250
that were made supposedly from the mouth

2169
01:38:47,450 --> 01:38:44,910
of ET and it just it was so ludicrous I

2170
01:38:49,220 --> 01:38:47,460
just go man I got me got me going I'm

2171
01:38:52,939 --> 01:38:49,230
it's getting me going again

2172
01:38:57,950 --> 01:38:52,949
well can I ask you a question Chris have

2173
01:39:00,380 --> 01:38:57,960
you ever seen a UFO yourself many many

2174
01:39:02,150 --> 01:39:00,390
many in the San Luis Valley during the

2175
01:39:05,930 --> 01:39:02,160
90s they were almost a nightly

2176
01:39:07,370 --> 01:39:05,940
occurrence 13 objects in one sighting

2177
01:39:10,910 --> 01:39:07,380
which I actually got some pretty good

2178
01:39:12,979 --> 01:39:10,920
video footage with night vision it's

2179
01:39:14,750 --> 01:39:12,989
it's in your nervous system it's in your

2180
01:39:17,420 --> 01:39:14,760
body you've seen these things it's made

2181
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:17,430
an imprint on you I had a light sighting

2182
01:39:24,350 --> 01:39:21,690
150 feet away from me the road so when

2183
01:39:27,229 --> 01:39:24,360
these people start if you'll pardon the

2184
01:39:32,570 --> 01:39:27,239
pun the term you know talking out of

2185
01:39:33,979 --> 01:39:32,580
their back ends it upsets you yeah I

2186
01:39:36,020 --> 01:39:33,989
just can't believe that people are so

2187
01:39:39,290 --> 01:39:36,030
gullible that they actually buy into

2188
01:39:41,660 --> 01:39:39,300
this stuff I mean the particular talking

2189
01:39:45,740 --> 01:39:41,670
about my point Chris is that it upsets

2190
01:39:47,780 --> 01:39:45,750
me too yeah exerting about and and when

2191
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:47,790
we're trying to get to the root of what

2192
01:39:51,979 --> 01:39:49,890
this is about and you have all of these

2193
01:39:54,500 --> 01:39:51,989
folks just standing around putting up

2194
01:39:56,689 --> 01:39:54,510
noise and trying to seem important and

2195
01:39:59,120 --> 01:39:56,699
putting their own images in front of the

2196
01:40:00,770 --> 01:39:59,130
the importance of the subject itself

2197
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:00,780
it's really hard to tolerate

2198
01:40:08,060 --> 01:40:04,170
yeah really hard sit quietly and and let

2199
01:40:11,260 --> 01:40:08,070
the the Greer's and the Bassets and so

2200
01:40:13,729 --> 01:40:11,270
on out there wait around in you know

2201
01:40:16,250 --> 01:40:13,739
there's not nothing to be done about it

2202
01:40:18,830 --> 01:40:16,260
other than to avoid it and to decry it

2203
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:18,840
when when it's appropriate and you know

2204
01:40:24,310 --> 01:40:21,690
you got a radio show for it I don't

2205
01:40:26,689 --> 01:40:24,320
think that these sort of things help and

2206
01:40:29,819 --> 01:40:26,699
if we really want to get to the bottom

2207
01:40:32,939 --> 01:40:29,829
of this we need to do the work

2208
01:40:34,830 --> 01:40:32,949
and that really with the pew efforts of

2209
01:40:36,959 --> 01:40:34,840
merit set-aside has really not been done

2210
01:40:41,669 --> 01:40:36,969
that's that's just what it comes down to

2211
01:40:43,979 --> 01:40:41,679
yeah I absolutely agree well and it's

2212
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:43,989
it's unfortunate not only doesn't do

2213
01:40:47,729 --> 01:40:46,000
these individuals grandstanding

2214
01:40:49,850 --> 01:40:47,739
individuals not help actually are a

2215
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:49,860
detriment they actually set us back

2216
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:53,290
again they make it they make the task of

2217
01:40:58,200 --> 01:40:56,050
getting funding or getting you know real

2218
01:41:00,000 --> 01:40:58,210
involvement by academia and in the

2219
01:41:02,819 --> 01:41:00,010
scientific community all that much more

2220
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:02,829
difficult and almost impossible because

2221
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:05,290
they're just screwing everything up I

2222
01:41:11,100 --> 01:41:07,690
mean if somebody would come to me and

2223
01:41:12,450 --> 01:41:11,110
hand me 1.1 million you know I thought

2224
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:12,460
they'd get their money's worth out of it

2225
01:41:20,069 --> 01:41:15,610
oh yeah yeah it wouldn't be some UFO

2226
01:41:21,660 --> 01:41:20,079
show no no no I mean anybody thinks the

2227
01:41:23,010 --> 01:41:21,670
US government's gonna disclose the

2228
01:41:24,959 --> 01:41:23,020
extent of their knowledge about this

2229
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:24,969
subject you know we've already discussed

2230
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:26,770
a lot of this information is probably

2231
01:41:29,879 --> 01:41:28,090
being held in the private sector number

2232
01:41:33,359 --> 01:41:29,889
one and and that government officials

2233
01:41:36,270 --> 01:41:33,369
really are pretty much in the dark for

2234
01:41:38,310 --> 01:41:36,280
the most part but even if there is a

2235
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:38,320
body of evidence that that's that's

2236
01:41:44,100 --> 01:41:41,440
being held maybe in a classified manner

2237
01:41:46,830 --> 01:41:44,110
it would be the last thing that they

2238
01:41:49,290 --> 01:41:46,840
would want to reveal to the public and I

2239
01:41:52,140 --> 01:41:49,300
think all these other countries coming

2240
01:41:53,459 --> 01:41:52,150
forward and in opening up their UFO

2241
01:41:55,589 --> 01:41:53,469
FILES obviously we're not getting them

2242
01:41:57,359 --> 01:41:55,599
all but they're doing that I think to

2243
01:42:00,359 --> 01:41:57,369
take the heat off the u.s. they throw

2244
01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:00,369
everybody a bone so that the US may be

2245
01:42:04,950 --> 01:42:02,320
considered by for a little bit longer

2246
01:42:07,290 --> 01:42:04,960
without having to really deal head-on

2247
01:42:10,379 --> 01:42:07,300
with the issue which will never be dealt

2248
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:10,389
with it is a national security issue I

2249
01:42:14,069 --> 01:42:12,130
don't care what they've said in the past

2250
01:42:15,569 --> 01:42:14,079
I don't care what they say now there's

2251
01:42:18,510 --> 01:42:15,579
no question in my mind and you're a

2252
01:42:21,930 --> 01:42:18,520
perfect person to validate this comment

2253
01:42:24,299 --> 01:42:21,940
that these objects do represent a lack

2254
01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:24,309
of control of our airspace by government

2255
01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:26,650
and when government's not in control

2256
01:42:30,540 --> 01:42:28,000
that's the last thing I want to talk

2257
01:42:33,629 --> 01:42:30,550
about well that's right and in

2258
01:42:36,450 --> 01:42:33,639
particular this situation we've learned

2259
01:42:38,010 --> 01:42:36,460
quite a lot about about what our

2260
01:42:42,189 --> 01:42:38,020
governments can do and what they can't

2261
01:42:44,030 --> 01:42:42,199
do on subject of eg and Koreans and

2262
01:42:45,859 --> 01:42:44,040
regardless of whether they're happening

2263
01:42:49,010 --> 01:42:45,869
or not even in the hypothetical work

2264
01:42:51,890 --> 01:42:49,020
we're not in a good position to deal

2265
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:51,900
with them and the effects and fall out

2266
01:42:59,060 --> 01:42:56,130
of these et incursian shouldn't be

2267
01:43:02,180 --> 01:42:59,070
underestimated either yeah oh absolutely

2268
01:43:04,430 --> 01:43:02,190
not I I think the classic example would

2269
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:04,440
be Barry Goldwater approaching his

2270
01:43:10,189 --> 01:43:07,770
longtime friend you know general Curtis

2271
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:10,199
LeMay and asking to see you know the

2272
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:12,810
Blue Room at what right pad and and you

2273
01:43:16,820 --> 01:43:15,449
know find out more about about some of

2274
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:16,830
the rumors that were floating around and

2275
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:18,330
it was the only time and Goldwater's a

2276
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:21,360
whole relationship with LeMay that LeMay

2277
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:23,010
yelled at him and said don't you ever

2278
01:43:27,770 --> 01:43:25,440
ask me that again I mean that should

2279
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:27,780
tell you something right there well you

2280
01:43:32,750 --> 01:43:30,570
know lamia LeMay was a powerful

2281
01:43:34,490 --> 01:43:32,760
personality I mean we might not have

2282
01:43:38,990 --> 01:43:34,500
survived it LeMay had gone much further

2283
01:43:41,689 --> 01:43:39,000
career but but yeah there's that truth

2284
01:43:45,740 --> 01:43:41,699
the Forrestal matter

2285
01:43:47,450 --> 01:43:45,750
there's the dr. James McDonald so so

2286
01:43:50,750 --> 01:43:47,460
there's there there's a lot of intrigue

2287
01:43:52,339 --> 01:43:50,760
around this subject and and I I don't

2288
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:52,349
think that we're ever going to get to

2289
01:43:55,939 --> 01:43:53,610
the bottom of it by seeking

2290
01:43:59,000 --> 01:43:55,949
accountability Wow these events occur

2291
01:44:00,700 --> 01:43:59,010
every day in the public domain and good

2292
01:44:02,899 --> 01:44:00,710
observation skills or the first

2293
01:44:06,530 --> 01:44:02,909
requirement we want to get to the bottom

2294
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:06,540
of this I I don't have a lot of respect

2295
01:44:09,649 --> 01:44:07,770
for those who would stand on a podium

2296
01:44:12,530 --> 01:44:09,659
and declare that an et presence is a

2297
01:44:15,919 --> 01:44:12,540
good thing you know because some voice

2298
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:15,929
in their head told them so you know it

2299
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:18,090
there's just a lot of this stuff going

2300
01:44:24,109 --> 01:44:20,489
on that it really makes you wonder you

2301
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:24,119
know you get Stephen Hawking's you know

2302
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:26,130
here's a here's a one of the eminent

2303
01:44:30,620 --> 01:44:28,560
minds of our time let's pursue Stephen

2304
01:44:32,689 --> 01:44:30,630
Hawking's in our next segment sure now

2305
01:44:35,300 --> 01:44:32,699
some of you listeners have asked us why

2306
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:35,310
we don't take telephone calls as other

2307
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:37,170
radio shows do so you can ask questions

2308
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:39,570
directly of the guest and the biggest

2309
01:44:45,890 --> 01:44:42,810
reason is logistics we record these

2310
01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:45,900
shows in advance and not always the same

2311
01:44:51,589 --> 01:44:49,440
day and time it depends on the schedule

2312
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:51,599
of a guest so we have a separate

2313
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:54,000
mechanism for you to ask questions it's

2314
01:44:58,500 --> 01:44:55,840
over at forum dot the power

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01:45:00,990 --> 01:44:58,510
Cass calm that's forum dr. Peric ascom

2316
01:45:03,990 --> 01:45:01,000
in our forest we have a place called

2317
01:45:06,209 --> 01:45:04,000
the question Bank when we have enough

2318
01:45:08,609 --> 01:45:06,219
warning about a future guest we'll put

2319
01:45:11,070 --> 01:45:08,619
up a topic or thread there and that way

2320
01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:11,080
you can ask the questions and we'll read

2321
01:45:15,780 --> 01:45:13,330
them on the air or at least we'll get as

2322
01:45:22,950 --> 01:45:15,790
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2350
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2352
01:46:27,410 --> 01:46:25,590
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2353
01:46:30,950 --> 01:46:27,420
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that's 800 686 to 237 we live in a

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2384
01:47:52,410 --> 01:47:48,110
welcome back into the para cast the gold

2385
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standard of paranormal radio and now

2386
01:48:03,399 --> 01:48:01,369
here's Jean Steinberg we have Ted row

2387
01:48:05,640 --> 01:48:03,409
executive director of north cap we're

2388
01:48:08,140 --> 01:48:05,650
talking about the serious side of

2389
01:48:09,850 --> 01:48:08,150
unidentified aerial phenomena no whoo

2390
01:48:11,649 --> 01:48:09,860
whoo stuff here too much of that already

2391
01:48:13,689 --> 01:48:11,659
with Jean and crisp you were about to

2392
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:13,699
say something in our previous segment ed

2393
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:16,610
about Stephen Hawking is this his

2394
01:48:22,959 --> 01:48:20,210
comment about aliens well sure it was

2395
01:48:24,910 --> 01:48:22,969
not just about aliens he he commented

2396
01:48:26,830 --> 01:48:24,920
that it was appropriate to talk about

2397
01:48:29,020 --> 01:48:26,840
aliens that the numbers were right that

2398
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:29,030
the potentials were there the

2399
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:30,770
probability would be that we would that

2400
01:48:34,510 --> 01:48:32,239
any aliens we would encounter with

2401
01:48:37,629 --> 01:48:34,520
rotting nomads who had raped the earth

2402
01:48:40,090 --> 01:48:37,639
and he was all destitute that sounds

2403
01:48:42,220 --> 01:48:40,100
like Independence Day the movie right

2404
01:48:46,030 --> 01:48:42,230
and then his next comment was he gives

2405
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:46,040
no credit to UFO reports they seem to

2406
01:48:51,430 --> 01:48:49,760
only come from crackpots and weirdos and

2407
01:48:55,209 --> 01:48:51,440
you know there's this cultural

2408
01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:55,219
disconnect of where on one hand they can

2409
01:48:59,620 --> 01:48:57,290
talk about the toxicity and the danger

2410
01:49:02,340 --> 01:48:59,630
of an extraterrestrial incursion and

2411
01:49:04,660 --> 01:49:02,350
then in the very next breath discount

2412
01:49:08,439 --> 01:49:04,670
anything that might indicate that it's

2413
01:49:11,020 --> 01:49:08,449
happening Enrico Fermi did the same

2414
01:49:13,780 --> 01:49:11,030
thing with his famous Fermi paradox in

2415
01:49:17,580 --> 01:49:13,790
Edward Teller cope and insky we're all

2416
01:49:21,220 --> 01:49:17,590
sitting around and over lunch one day in

2417
01:49:24,310 --> 01:49:21,230
talking about UFO reports and then they

2418
01:49:27,879 --> 01:49:24,320
got to a point where Fermi did some math

2419
01:49:29,859 --> 01:49:27,889
or some deductive fractions kind of like

2420
01:49:31,060 --> 01:49:29,869
the Drake Equation and came up came to

2421
01:49:33,220 --> 01:49:31,070
the conclusion that it should have been

2422
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:33,230
visited many times over where are they

2423
01:49:36,220 --> 01:49:34,730
so here they are money and they're

2424
01:49:38,620 --> 01:49:36,230
talking about UFO reports and then on

2425
01:49:40,810 --> 01:49:38,630
the other hand where are the aliens and

2426
01:49:42,850 --> 01:49:40,820
there's this this disconnect that exists

2427
01:49:45,280 --> 01:49:42,860
in our culture particularly amongst the

2428
01:49:46,930 --> 01:49:45,290
bright ones that I think is direct

2429
01:49:52,300 --> 01:49:46,940
fallout from the Robertson panel and

2430
01:49:54,970 --> 01:49:52,310
related activities and and it if even

2431
01:49:57,399 --> 01:49:54,980
one of these UAP reports really is an ET

2432
01:49:59,350 --> 01:49:57,409
incursion we're behind the eight ball

2433
01:50:02,379 --> 01:49:59,360
and it's because of attitudes like that

2434
01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:02,389
doctor Hawking's is obviously oblivious

2435
01:50:06,070 --> 01:50:04,370
to the fact that some of the best

2436
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:06,080
reports out there come from military and

2437
01:50:09,310 --> 01:50:08,449
involved military engagements and radar

2438
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:09,320
and so on

2439
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:11,570
cases like the might not be fifty-two

2440
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:15,050
case and 68 North Dakota things like

2441
01:50:19,030 --> 01:50:17,210
that very well-documented cases and and

2442
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:19,040
yet they don't need to they just get

2443
01:50:20,649 --> 01:50:20,090
discounted they don't even give it the

2444
01:50:23,229 --> 01:50:20,659
time of day

2445
01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:23,239
I think it's sloppy thinking yeah

2446
01:50:27,250 --> 01:50:25,130
absolutely and that leads me to another

2447
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:27,260
question from one of our posters Eric

2448
01:50:29,950 --> 01:50:27,650
the Red

2449
01:50:31,090 --> 01:50:29,960
who's posted his question at forum dr.

2450
01:50:34,300 --> 01:50:31,100
Peric ask.com

2451
01:50:36,970 --> 01:50:34,310
and he's wondering in the UAP literature

2452
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:36,980
Ted what do you think are the most

2453
01:50:40,689 --> 01:50:38,810
credible books papers or bodies of

2454
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:40,699
research that you would recommend to a

2455
01:50:45,220 --> 01:50:42,800
scientifically minded but open-minded

2456
01:50:46,899 --> 01:50:45,230
skeptic that could possibly inform him

2457
01:50:48,939 --> 01:50:46,909
and bring him up to speed on some of the

2458
01:50:52,080 --> 01:50:48,949
really amazing cases that we do have

2459
01:50:53,950 --> 01:50:52,090
well I think if they're at all

2460
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:53,960
scientifically minded or have hard

2461
01:50:58,600 --> 01:50:55,850
science or mathematics I would recommend

2462
01:51:01,090 --> 01:50:58,610
Paul Hills book on unconventional flying

2463
01:51:03,100 --> 01:51:01,100
objects for starters yeah I would I

2464
01:51:06,189 --> 01:51:03,110
would also offer Richard all of its work

2465
01:51:10,360 --> 01:51:06,199
as far as a historical analysis goes to

2466
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:10,370
put it in a context I would offer oh the

2467
01:51:15,149 --> 01:51:12,560
various government reports like the

2468
01:51:18,970 --> 01:51:15,159
Ministry of Defence of the UK's

2469
01:51:21,220 --> 01:51:18,980
so-called condign report which is a very

2470
01:51:24,250 --> 01:51:21,230
good and large study on the appeal the

2471
01:51:27,340 --> 01:51:24,260
conclusions are a bit Rocky III would

2472
01:51:29,830 --> 01:51:27,350
recommend the cometa report from the

2473
01:51:31,870 --> 01:51:29,840
French even though it was an independent

2474
01:51:34,209 --> 01:51:31,880
study involved many officials involved

2475
01:51:36,310 --> 01:51:34,219
with new AP research in France and

2476
01:51:38,740 --> 01:51:36,320
former directors of their official

2477
01:51:41,830 --> 01:51:38,750
research teams Lesley Keens book has

2478
01:51:45,970 --> 01:51:41,840
some good very good you know firsthand

2479
01:51:47,439 --> 01:51:45,980
reports by military personnel up close

2480
01:51:50,200 --> 01:51:47,449
and personal encounters especially the

2481
01:51:52,330 --> 01:51:50,210
Chilean Air Force case I I was gonna

2482
01:51:54,430 --> 01:51:52,340
mention her last and give her the most

2483
01:51:56,649 --> 01:51:54,440
time I because she certainly has done a

2484
01:51:58,419 --> 01:51:56,659
good job with the book and not and as a

2485
01:52:01,990 --> 01:51:58,429
resource that it is a good research

2486
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:02,000
resource to open people's minds on this

2487
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:03,920
subject I think though if you want

2488
01:52:08,590 --> 01:52:06,530
science involved it's a combination of

2489
01:52:10,280 --> 01:52:08,600
documentation and and you need some

2490
01:52:11,930 --> 01:52:10,290
somebody to

2491
01:52:16,700 --> 01:52:11,940
to help you get published somewhere

2492
01:52:18,700 --> 01:52:16,710
where you get attention most mainstream

2493
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:18,710
science journals won't touch the subject

2494
01:52:23,540 --> 01:52:21,210
although one of our guys managed to get

2495
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:23,550
a paper in to the British planetary

2496
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:26,880
society called inflation theory

2497
01:52:31,550 --> 01:52:28,410
implications for extraterrestrial

2498
01:52:33,410 --> 01:52:31,560
visitation so basically if you embrace

2499
01:52:36,230 --> 01:52:33,420
certain cosmologies then you have to

2500
01:52:38,480 --> 01:52:36,240
deal with the Lacetti aspects that come

2501
01:52:40,490 --> 01:52:38,490
along somewhat so I would recommend

2502
01:52:42,500 --> 01:52:40,500
those for reading starters I think

2503
01:52:44,420 --> 01:52:42,510
that's a good list to uh for our

2504
01:52:47,150 --> 01:52:44,430
listeners to jot down if you have any

2505
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:47,160
any high-powered scientists in your

2506
01:52:51,230 --> 01:52:50,010
sphere of influence lay a list on them

2507
01:52:53,180 --> 01:52:51,240
and say what do you think of some of

2508
01:52:53,930 --> 01:52:53,190
this information when you can carve out

2509
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:53,940
some time

2510
01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:56,730
why don't you peruse this information

2511
01:53:02,690 --> 01:53:00,960
and and tell us what you think I think

2512
01:53:04,250 --> 01:53:02,700
it's really important have you ever

2513
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:04,260
encountered this scenario it's another

2514
01:53:08,900 --> 01:53:06,330
Eric direct question have you ever

2515
01:53:11,480 --> 01:53:08,910
counted the say scenario of a skeptic a

2516
01:53:13,190 --> 01:53:11,490
scientist in particular doing a 180

2517
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:13,200
degree turn in their view on this

2518
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:15,930
subject on account of being exposed to

2519
01:53:21,430 --> 01:53:18,930
let's say your research you know Eric's

2520
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:21,440
asking some good questions here and and

2521
01:53:26,510 --> 01:53:23,850
let's just go back to what a skeptic is

2522
01:53:30,110 --> 01:53:26,520
for a manicure a true skeptic doesn't

2523
01:53:31,610 --> 01:53:30,120
require any convincing from me he'll

2524
01:53:33,410 --> 01:53:31,620
look at the material and he'll make his

2525
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:33,420
own decision out of it and it'll be

2526
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:35,130
based on his skillset and his

2527
01:53:39,230 --> 01:53:36,650
understanding what you looking at and

2528
01:53:41,570 --> 01:53:39,240
nine times out of ten materials Brent

2529
01:53:43,730 --> 01:53:41,580
presented correctly he'll understand it

2530
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:43,740
and it'll become part of his perspective

2531
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:45,810
as he looked forward and and he won't

2532
01:53:50,180 --> 01:53:48,570
discount it because of because it's

2533
01:53:52,100 --> 01:53:50,190
preposterous or an unfortunate engine

2534
01:53:54,260 --> 01:53:52,110
interest or something like that the

2535
01:53:56,480 --> 01:53:54,270
debugger on the other hand needs to be

2536
01:53:59,680 --> 01:53:56,490
convinced and I don't have any time for

2537
01:54:02,180 --> 01:53:59,690
that mind that that mind has got all

2538
01:54:06,740 --> 01:54:02,190
that it needs to do something about and

2539
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:06,750
it's not my problem to fix that that

2540
01:54:10,610 --> 01:54:08,610
mind is convinced and you can believe

2541
01:54:13,010 --> 01:54:10,620
and do what it wants to do like any mind

2542
01:54:14,420 --> 01:54:13,020
can and should but I'm not going to

2543
01:54:16,460 --> 01:54:14,430
waste any time trying to convince it

2544
01:54:20,030 --> 01:54:16,470
otherwise I've had a lot of people who

2545
01:54:21,770 --> 01:54:20,040
from the fence come off the fence or at

2546
01:54:22,979 --> 01:54:21,780
least a little further to my side of the

2547
01:54:25,259 --> 01:54:22,989
fence looking

2548
01:54:26,700 --> 01:54:25,269
material but I've never I can't say I've

2549
01:54:29,819 --> 01:54:26,710
ever had anybody who was adamantly

2550
01:54:33,959 --> 01:54:29,829
against it ever come around to thinking

2551
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:33,969
so it's not really a they're a good

2552
01:54:38,759 --> 01:54:36,610
portion of science today scientists

2553
01:54:41,879 --> 01:54:38,769
today were raised in the Star Trek

2554
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:41,889
universe you know you don't have to they

2555
01:54:45,959 --> 01:54:43,840
they are already thinking about these

2556
01:54:47,970 --> 01:54:45,969
things there are I am for every one

2557
01:54:51,140 --> 01:54:47,980
scientist that is an absolute no I I

2558
01:54:54,390 --> 01:54:51,150
meet what a dozen that are at least open

2559
01:54:57,060 --> 01:54:54,400
you know science isn't the problem it's

2560
01:54:58,830 --> 01:54:57,070
the data and how its presented and who

2561
01:55:00,720 --> 01:54:58,840
it's presented to and as we pull it

2562
01:55:02,189 --> 01:55:00,730
together this is what I'm finding very

2563
01:55:04,049 --> 01:55:02,199
heartening about our work with the

2564
01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:04,059
Chilean government and now our

2565
01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:05,650
presentation and our work the French

2566
01:55:10,979 --> 01:55:08,170
government coming next month is that

2567
01:55:13,410 --> 01:55:10,989
that these these organizations of fairly

2568
01:55:15,899 --> 01:55:13,420
high credibility or pulling together now

2569
01:55:17,489 --> 01:55:15,909
they're starting to interact with each

2570
01:55:21,020 --> 01:55:17,499
other they're starting to share data and

2571
01:55:23,430 --> 01:55:21,030
methodology and and concerns and

2572
01:55:25,049 --> 01:55:23,440
starting to talk a little bit and this

2573
01:55:27,330 --> 01:55:25,059
is really really important so very

2574
01:55:33,270 --> 01:55:27,340
important first step that's been in the

2575
01:55:34,830 --> 01:55:33,280
offing for the last 50 years so it'll be

2576
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:34,840
those guys that make the change it'll be

2577
01:55:37,169 --> 01:55:36,730
that effort that makes the change in

2578
01:55:39,950 --> 01:55:37,179
mind

2579
01:55:42,239 --> 01:55:39,960
well another thing that would help is

2580
01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:42,249
possibly related to this next question

2581
01:55:47,790 --> 01:55:45,130
by Kenna Karis who's a poster at forum

2582
01:55:51,330 --> 01:55:47,800
dr parra cast calm and he wonders about

2583
01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:51,340
the numbers our reports that you guys

2584
01:55:56,479 --> 01:55:53,530
are receipt receiving are they declining

2585
01:55:59,489 --> 01:55:56,489
are are is there any sort of patterning

2586
01:56:01,950 --> 01:55:59,499
within these reports are we seeing a an

2587
01:56:05,310 --> 01:56:01,960
upsurge of reports because people may be

2588
01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:05,320
more apt to to report them now maybe

2589
01:56:10,229 --> 01:56:08,320
this subject is getting less toxic let's

2590
01:56:12,720 --> 01:56:10,239
talk about your your database a little

2591
01:56:15,989 --> 01:56:12,730
bit any sort of the patterns of activity

2592
01:56:17,939 --> 01:56:15,999
what a being and flowing any any

2593
01:56:21,660 --> 01:56:17,949
anything that you could not address

2594
01:56:25,319 --> 01:56:21,670
there well I I wouldn't say the report

2595
01:56:27,629 --> 01:56:25,329
numbers are going down at all the a lot

2596
01:56:30,450 --> 01:56:27,639
of it has to do with who we reach when

2597
01:56:32,879 --> 01:56:30,460
we reach them you know as far as pilot

2598
01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:32,889
reporters you go as word gets to them

2599
01:56:36,609 --> 01:56:35,050
they get to us and it's just been a

2600
01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:36,619
process of work

2601
01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:38,690
putting it out there we haven't had a

2602
01:56:42,910 --> 01:56:40,610
huge budget dr. Haynes and I have run in

2603
01:56:44,979 --> 01:56:42,920
our cap out of our pockets for the last

2604
01:56:47,950 --> 01:56:44,989
14 years we're getting our nonprofit

2605
01:56:49,330 --> 01:56:47,960
status shortly so the iris tells me and

2606
01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:49,340
then we can start looking for a real

2607
01:56:54,879 --> 01:56:52,250
budget that suck but even even at that

2608
01:56:57,879 --> 01:56:54,889
you know we've seen a steady increase in

2609
01:56:59,979 --> 01:56:57,889
report over time and a lot of people are

2610
01:57:02,080 --> 01:56:59,989
recognized as I watch our website

2611
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:02,090
statistics and so on and I've seen a

2612
01:57:04,990 --> 01:57:03,770
steady uptick there's well so the

2613
01:57:06,850 --> 01:57:05,000
general as the general population

2614
01:57:09,820 --> 01:57:06,860
becomes more awareness than we get

2615
01:57:13,390 --> 01:57:09,830
towards now in regard to the frequency

2616
01:57:15,879 --> 01:57:13,400
of UFO sightings now MUFON reported

2617
01:57:18,490 --> 01:57:15,889
quite a few in their newsletter also

2618
01:57:20,859 --> 01:57:18,500
Chris rutkowski the Canadian UFO

2619
01:57:23,290 --> 01:57:20,869
researcher has been on the power cast on

2620
01:57:25,810 --> 01:57:23,300
several occasions reported a wave of UFO

2621
01:57:26,950 --> 01:57:25,820
cases last year I'm going to ask you

2622
01:57:29,770 --> 01:57:26,960
more about that in a moment

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narc app now just to recap something you

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mentioned the previous segment you're in

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the process of getting your nonprofit

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status of course you're not a member of

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the Tea Party so it's easier right I

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don't know you know we've been we've had

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our application in two years now

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so you're not involved in many politics

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but still takes a long time it's not so

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easy yeah apparently I my last

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conversation with the IRS was very

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promising so I anticipate that our

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status will come through shortly but it

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took a long time and and I'm not sure

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why that that was in other words it's

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nothing personal I'm hoping it was

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nothing personal okay but yeah they've

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we're moving forward now with a 501 C 3

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status we are a nonprofit corporation in

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the state of Washington so if you are a

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resident of the state of Washington you

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could donate and take it off your tax

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returns absolutely and of course we have

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a lot of aviation being done in

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Washington State so I'm hoping that

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there's a risk there that might express

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02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:04,800
itself in some support for our efforts

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our travel budget alone it's daunting

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just to deal with the chileans and a

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branch on their terms we have to be able

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to move to them you know so we

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appreciate any help absolutely

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have you thought of having like a

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newsletter or something to maybe bring

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in some money yes yes I'm actually in

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the process of preparing Volume one is

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she one as we speak

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I'm putting together a couple of things

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that should be incentives for people to

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make donations and I'm trying to expand

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and change our program it because we've

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been our own organization for 14 years

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and beholden to nobody nobody's claimed

2741
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in our cap as a Nick Spence and we

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haven't made any money through NAR cap

2743
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but we've had absolute control what we

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do and we've been able to control and

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protect our image and we've been able to

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keep certain interests from buying into

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our organization and gaining control

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that sort of things so we now we have to

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02:04:03,320 --> 02:03:59,940
change and adapt a little to the public

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02:04:05,960 --> 02:04:03,330
environment and find other strategies to

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maintain our photography there was one

2752
02:04:11,580 --> 02:04:09,300
question here from hon where he said

2753
02:04:14,100 --> 02:04:11,590
please ask mr. Roe to

2754
02:04:17,220 --> 02:04:14,110
any reported incidents where onboard

2755
02:04:20,040 --> 02:04:17,230
equipment has been interfered with by

2756
02:04:22,740 --> 02:04:20,050
UAP to be more specific to his knowledge

2757
02:04:25,620 --> 02:04:22,750
are there any incidents where a pilot

2758
02:04:28,830 --> 02:04:25,630
has observed technical malfunctions or

2759
02:04:31,820 --> 02:04:28,840
failures in their equipment or airplane

2760
02:04:35,130 --> 02:04:31,830
and flight data cockpit recordings

2761
02:04:37,740 --> 02:04:35,140
automated diagnostic logs black box etc

2762
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:37,750
as recorded the same well I'm trying to

2763
02:04:43,530 --> 02:04:40,570
ask is what is mr. rose opinion on

2764
02:04:46,230 --> 02:04:43,540
whether you ap affect only the pilots

2765
02:04:48,870 --> 02:04:46,240
perception or can they be responsible

2766
02:04:51,600 --> 02:04:48,880
for interference or damage that can be

2767
02:04:55,140 --> 02:04:51,610
demonstrated with physical tangible

2768
02:04:57,870 --> 02:04:55,150
evidence interesting well that's a great

2769
02:05:00,540 --> 02:04:57,880
question on that really good question

2770
02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:00,550
and yeah there are many examples of

2771
02:05:04,920 --> 02:05:02,770
concurrent e/m effects on electrical

2772
02:05:06,690 --> 02:05:04,930
systems in our examples of those effects

2773
02:05:09,810 --> 02:05:06,700
being documented either by third parties

2774
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:09,820
direct examination etc one good example

2775
02:05:15,780 --> 02:05:12,610
is I mentioned earlier the 1968 Minot

2776
02:05:18,090 --> 02:05:15,790
b-52 case that along with gun radar

2777
02:05:20,190 --> 02:05:18,100
detection of the UAP included a loss of

2778
02:05:23,280 --> 02:05:20,200
communications as documented by both

2779
02:05:25,100 --> 02:05:23,290
aircrew control tower Tom to lien did an

2780
02:05:28,950 --> 02:05:25,110
excellent job of documenting that case

2781
02:05:31,230 --> 02:05:28,960
and I'll provide the link later there

2782
02:05:35,460 --> 02:05:31,240
are other cases as well our our

2783
02:05:37,890 --> 02:05:35,470
technical report 3 NAR cap technical

2784
02:05:40,440 --> 02:05:37,900
report 3 is titled a preliminary study

2785
02:05:42,300 --> 02:05:40,450
of 64 pilots sighting reports involving

2786
02:05:44,850 --> 02:05:42,310
alleged electromagnetic effects on

2787
02:05:46,890 --> 02:05:44,860
aircraft systems it was written by dr.

2788
02:05:49,710 --> 02:05:46,900
Richard Haines and and Dominick

2789
02:05:53,990 --> 02:05:49,720
weinstein who's a a member of the French

2790
02:05:58,820 --> 02:05:54,000
College of Experts supporting Japan and

2791
02:06:03,750 --> 02:05:58,830
in most of the effects that we see on

2792
02:06:06,930 --> 02:06:03,760
involve well let's see in their study 79

2793
02:06:10,950 --> 02:06:06,940
percent of the cases involved electrical

2794
02:06:14,580 --> 02:06:10,960
systems six percent involved powerplant

2795
02:06:18,780 --> 02:06:14,590
systems onboard radar contacts and six

2796
02:06:21,750 --> 02:06:18,790
percent of the cases etc radio function

2797
02:06:25,529 --> 02:06:21,760
was affected most often followed by

2798
02:06:27,180 --> 02:06:25,539
compass reading errors and that general

2799
02:06:28,950 --> 02:06:27,190
aviation aircraft were likely to be

2800
02:06:32,370 --> 02:06:28,960
affected in commercial or military type

2801
02:06:34,709 --> 02:06:32,380
aircraft and most commonly those cases

2802
02:06:40,500 --> 02:06:34,719
involving concurrent e/m effects involve

2803
02:06:43,379 --> 02:06:40,510
ground you ate or lights so so yes they

2804
02:06:45,660 --> 02:06:43,389
do happen it's beyond the perceptual

2805
02:06:47,339 --> 02:06:45,670
range of the pilot it is a physical

2806
02:06:50,549 --> 02:06:47,349
manifestation and they have been

2807
02:06:52,259 --> 02:06:50,559
documented in third party situations let

2808
02:06:53,819 --> 02:06:52,269
me go to the follow-up question from hon

2809
02:06:57,299 --> 02:06:53,829
all right we haven't this other question

2810
02:06:59,759 --> 02:06:57,309
from hon I have heard mention of you AP

2811
02:07:02,759 --> 02:06:59,769
reports that involve odd-looking

2812
02:07:05,729 --> 02:07:02,769
aircraft that is to say that the witness

2813
02:07:07,770 --> 02:07:05,739
reports seeing a plane or helicopter but

2814
02:07:10,290 --> 02:07:07,780
something in its configuration is

2815
02:07:15,629 --> 02:07:10,300
strange or out of place can mr. Rowe

2816
02:07:18,540 --> 02:07:15,639
recall any similar reports um well yes

2817
02:07:20,009 --> 02:07:18,550
and no and I kind of wrote a response

2818
02:07:22,319 --> 02:07:20,019
for hon here so pardon me if it sounds a

2819
02:07:24,750 --> 02:07:22,329
little bit read out for the most part

2820
02:07:27,149 --> 02:07:24,760
you ap reports all into general profiles

2821
02:07:29,729 --> 02:07:27,159
of singular lights objects with lights

2822
02:07:31,109 --> 02:07:29,739
on them unlit object those that appear

2823
02:07:33,000 --> 02:07:31,119
as objects seem to follow general

2824
02:07:35,729 --> 02:07:33,010
profiles most commonly representing

2825
02:07:38,370 --> 02:07:35,739
basic geometric forms spears ablates

2826
02:07:39,959 --> 02:07:38,380
periods or discs cylinders triangles

2827
02:07:41,759 --> 02:07:39,969
cones and casian aliy forms that morph

2828
02:07:43,500 --> 02:07:41,769
into different shapes there are those

2829
02:07:45,450 --> 02:07:43,510
that seem to morph into shapes with no

2830
02:07:47,189 --> 02:07:45,460
seeming rationale then there are uip

2831
02:07:49,200 --> 02:07:47,199
that seem to display characteristics of

2832
02:07:50,430 --> 02:07:49,210
terrestrial aviation like flashing

2833
02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:50,440
running lights though they are clearly

2834
02:07:55,290 --> 02:07:52,570
not attached to a commonly recognized

2835
02:07:57,479 --> 02:07:55,300
airframe we have heard of UAP that morph

2836
02:07:59,250 --> 02:07:57,489
into vaguely recognizable aircraft but

2837
02:08:01,649 --> 02:07:59,260
have yet to see many such reports in the

2838
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:01,659
data I recently came across a report

2839
02:08:05,009 --> 02:08:03,010
from a local fishermen whereby he

2840
02:08:07,109 --> 02:08:05,019
described putting a handheld spotlight

2841
02:08:08,850 --> 02:08:07,119
on an object hovering over his boat it

2842
02:08:10,740 --> 02:08:08,860
looked a lot like a jet aircraft but was

2843
02:08:12,509 --> 02:08:10,750
quiet and when it left it moved towards

2844
02:08:14,549 --> 02:08:12,519
orbit at a very high rate of speed from

2845
02:08:16,319 --> 02:08:14,559
a dead stop so these cases are not

2846
02:08:18,990 --> 02:08:16,329
enough but we don't have many of them

2847
02:08:21,419 --> 02:08:19,000
our particular database let's move into

2848
02:08:23,430 --> 02:08:21,429
another question here and this is

2849
02:08:26,189 --> 02:08:23,440
something we kind of asked in one

2850
02:08:28,740 --> 02:08:26,199
direction but not completely if time

2851
02:08:30,810 --> 02:08:28,750
permits please ask mr. Rowe to talk

2852
02:08:33,720 --> 02:08:30,820
about the differences in protocol

2853
02:08:36,240 --> 02:08:33,730
between military and civilian pilots

2854
02:08:38,660 --> 02:08:36,250
when they encounter are you AP and how

2855
02:08:41,150 --> 02:08:38,670
this varies between different nation

2856
02:08:43,700 --> 02:08:41,160
three states and any changes you'd like

2857
02:08:45,830 --> 02:08:43,710
to see in that protocol as we said we

2858
02:08:47,390 --> 02:08:45,840
kind of covered the pilot reporting

2859
02:08:49,850 --> 02:08:47,400
procedure earlier but maybe you can

2860
02:08:52,100 --> 02:08:49,860
expand upon it there well as I mentioned

2861
02:08:53,750 --> 02:08:52,110
the FAA really doesn't want know unless

2862
02:08:55,729 --> 02:08:53,760
it's release it's reported to the

2863
02:08:57,620 --> 02:08:55,739
aviation safety reporting system

2864
02:09:00,500 --> 02:08:57,630
confidentially they really don't have a

2865
02:09:02,360 --> 02:09:00,510
portal to take those cases and if a

2866
02:09:04,490 --> 02:09:02,370
pilot does encounter one I encourage

2867
02:09:07,070 --> 02:09:04,500
them to do that to make a report to the

2868
02:09:08,900 --> 02:09:07,080
ASRs because we have access to their

2869
02:09:12,680 --> 02:09:08,910
database and can can work with it from

2870
02:09:14,959 --> 02:09:12,690
there of course the military debriefs

2871
02:09:17,140 --> 02:09:14,969
it's pilots and everything all data

2872
02:09:19,459 --> 02:09:17,150
there is protected by security oaths in

2873
02:09:22,760 --> 02:09:19,469
other countries it's a bit different the

2874
02:09:25,130 --> 02:09:22,770
French collect data entering their air

2875
02:09:28,550 --> 02:09:25,140
controllers and pilots to make you a B

2876
02:09:30,470 --> 02:09:28,560
reports so do the chileans the

2877
02:09:32,330 --> 02:09:30,480
Argentinians are getting into that mode

2878
02:09:34,669 --> 02:09:32,340
I believe I'm not sure about how the

2879
02:09:36,800 --> 02:09:34,679
Peruvians handle it yet but but I think

2880
02:09:38,570 --> 02:09:36,810
they have an education program and the

2881
02:09:42,260 --> 02:09:38,580
data collection program goes across

2882
02:09:44,060 --> 02:09:42,270
their bureaucracy personally I these are

2883
02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:44,070
all good steps I think every nation

2884
02:09:48,830 --> 02:09:46,770
should have some kind of a dedicated UAP

2885
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Research Group they should be

2886
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coordinating with other national UAP

2887
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research groups I think there should be

2888
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some overarching Authority around the

2889
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subject may be located in the UN ICAO

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there International Civil Aviation

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covered a lot of ground but there's more

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[Music]

2995
02:15:03,640 --> 02:15:00,500
we have Tedrow with jean and chris on

2996
02:15:06,670 --> 02:15:03,650
the power cast he's executive director

2997
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of narc app which of course puts them in

2998
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a wonderful and viewable position

2999
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getting loads in those cases now I want

3000
02:15:14,800 --> 02:15:13,130
to just cover one particular question

3001
02:15:16,840 --> 02:15:14,810
here this is from Eric the Red

3002
02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:16,850
and so long question so I'm gonna kind

3003
02:15:23,710 --> 02:15:20,810
of be brief about it because by and

3004
02:15:25,450 --> 02:15:23,720
large this is something where you know

3005
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:25,460
he may not be able to give the answers

3006
02:15:31,330 --> 02:15:27,530
so have you received any communications

3007
02:15:34,360 --> 02:15:31,340
either written or verbal Tedrow either

3008
02:15:35,440 --> 02:15:34,370
you or dr. Hanes from scientists

3009
02:15:38,790 --> 02:15:35,450
government officials

3010
02:15:41,190 --> 02:15:38,800
fAA officials control tower personnel

3011
02:15:43,870 --> 02:15:41,200
pilots with distinguished careers

3012
02:15:47,950 --> 02:15:43,880
astronomers NASA scientists engineers

3013
02:15:50,080 --> 02:15:47,960
etc where they admit off the record they

3014
02:15:54,550 --> 02:15:50,090
think there's something real there's

3015
02:15:56,050 --> 02:15:54,560
something genuine about UAP a good

3016
02:15:59,050 --> 02:15:56,060
question and the short answer is yes

3017
02:16:00,520 --> 02:15:59,060
well Gina I could I could answer that

3018
02:16:05,830 --> 02:16:00,530
for you but then I'd have to kill you

3019
02:16:09,490 --> 02:16:05,840
well just get in line no but really the

3020
02:16:11,860 --> 02:16:09,500
short answer is yes privately many

3021
02:16:13,720 --> 02:16:11,870
people off the record are very curious

3022
02:16:16,210 --> 02:16:13,730
about this subject and have opinions

3023
02:16:19,390 --> 02:16:16,220
about it and that includes astronomers

3024
02:16:20,920 --> 02:16:19,400
and air controllers and but just about

3025
02:16:23,620 --> 02:16:20,930
everybody on that list I've heard from

3026
02:16:26,020 --> 02:16:23,630
some example thereof who's very

3027
02:16:28,750 --> 02:16:26,030
concerned and interest in interested in

3028
02:16:31,390 --> 02:16:28,760
the subject and they all have reasons I

3029
02:16:34,419 --> 02:16:31,400
suppose for not coming forward well they

3030
02:16:36,400 --> 02:16:34,429
do they do and some of those reasons may

3031
02:16:38,800 --> 02:16:36,410
involve their their concern for their

3032
02:16:42,669 --> 02:16:38,810
image and probably rightly so in most

3033
02:16:49,089 --> 02:16:42,679
cases they it's not a safe subject to to

3034
02:16:52,180 --> 02:16:49,099
be to open out and then you know the the

3035
02:16:54,700 --> 02:16:52,190
other half of it is is that we as a as a

3036
02:16:56,780 --> 02:16:54,710
race may not be able to handle but what

3037
02:17:00,349 --> 02:16:56,790
is already known

3038
02:17:01,669 --> 02:17:00,359
and I'm a big fan of democracy and I

3039
02:17:03,860 --> 02:17:01,679
don't like other people telling me what

3040
02:17:06,620 --> 02:17:03,870
I can handle but at the same time I

3041
02:17:08,419 --> 02:17:06,630
don't know everything around the subject

3042
02:17:10,160 --> 02:17:08,429
so I can't really sit in judgment of

3043
02:17:13,790 --> 02:17:10,170
those who might have made decisions

3044
02:17:16,910 --> 02:17:13,800
around let me ask you something here

3045
02:17:19,820 --> 02:17:16,920
which is maybe implicit in the previous

3046
02:17:23,120 --> 02:17:19,830
question in the response do you know of

3047
02:17:27,290 --> 02:17:23,130
any of these high-profile UFO UAP

3048
02:17:29,330 --> 02:17:27,300
skeptics who privately believe in their

3049
02:17:33,469 --> 02:17:29,340
reality but publicly have to maintain

3050
02:17:36,830 --> 02:17:33,479
this skeptical posture well no I know

3051
02:17:40,610 --> 02:17:36,840
not not in particular again I when you

3052
02:17:42,709 --> 02:17:40,620
say skeptic I'm picking D bunker yes so

3053
02:17:45,769 --> 02:17:42,719
in that sense no they're they're pretty

3054
02:17:48,049 --> 02:17:45,779
entrenched if anything they won't touch

3055
02:17:52,129 --> 02:17:48,059
cases that they can't introduce some

3056
02:17:54,620 --> 02:17:52,139
possible denial to so no I like I said

3057
02:17:56,450 --> 02:17:54,630
earlier in the show if I could if I

3058
02:17:58,730 --> 02:17:56,460
could get a true skeptic on board that

3059
02:18:01,809 --> 02:17:58,740
would be just fine with me that's that's

3060
02:18:04,160 --> 02:18:01,819
the kind of mind in the study but

3061
02:18:08,330 --> 02:18:04,170
debunkers just really don't have much to

3062
02:18:10,940 --> 02:18:08,340
add to the conversation in my bit so

3063
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:10,950
I'll ask them have you ever converted a

3064
02:18:15,530 --> 02:18:14,010
skeptic to believing something serious

3065
02:18:18,610 --> 02:18:15,540
about the subject because of your

3066
02:18:20,780 --> 02:18:18,620
research I brought people who are

3067
02:18:23,870 --> 02:18:20,790
scientists and who are critical minded

3068
02:18:25,700 --> 02:18:23,880
closer to the subject but but that was

3069
02:18:28,549 --> 02:18:25,710
because of their mindset not because I

3070
02:18:30,440 --> 02:18:28,559
influenced them differently people

3071
02:18:32,900 --> 02:18:30,450
believe what they want to believe until

3072
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:32,910
they decide that their belief needs to

3073
02:18:37,759 --> 02:18:35,130
be upgraded changed or dropped they

3074
02:18:39,110 --> 02:18:37,769
won't do it and I can spend all the time

3075
02:18:41,030 --> 02:18:39,120
in the world showing them charts and

3076
02:18:42,799 --> 02:18:41,040
graphs and photographs and stories and

3077
02:18:44,540 --> 02:18:42,809
claims and everything else and and it

3078
02:18:47,690 --> 02:18:44,550
won't make any difference to a person

3079
02:18:50,389 --> 02:18:47,700
who's already made up their mind a true

3080
02:18:51,980 --> 02:18:50,399
skeptic hasn't made up their mind and

3081
02:18:54,709 --> 02:18:51,990
they understand that science is a

3082
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philosophy one of many philosophies that

3083
02:18:59,269 --> 02:18:57,000
we use to determine knowledge in in our

3084
02:19:02,959 --> 02:18:59,279
reality and that it's generally the

3085
02:19:05,870 --> 02:19:02,969
slowest but but the most meticulous in

3086
02:19:07,669 --> 02:19:05,880
terms of developing so there's a lot of

3087
02:19:10,100 --> 02:19:07,679
frustrations with science and scientists

3088
02:19:11,660 --> 02:19:10,110
out there but you know do the

3089
02:19:14,150 --> 02:19:11,670
then the science comes right along

3090
02:19:16,791 --> 02:19:14,160
you're doing it you know let's move on

3091
02:19:18,770 --> 02:19:16,801
to the next one here okay I know we have

3092
02:19:21,020 --> 02:19:18,780
one person who says sorry I'm interested

3093
02:19:22,910 --> 02:19:21,030
in UFOs not you AP's better move along

3094
02:19:25,070 --> 02:19:22,920
to the next question I think somebody's

3095
02:19:27,740 --> 02:19:25,080
goofing there let me ask you about

3096
02:19:31,400 --> 02:19:27,750
another focus of UFO research and that

3097
02:19:34,160 --> 02:19:31,410
is abductions mmm and that gets to be

3098
02:19:36,890 --> 02:19:34,170
pretty controversial pretty dicey yeah

3099
02:19:40,190 --> 02:19:36,900
obviously it goes to follow that if UFOs

3100
02:19:42,230 --> 02:19:40,200
are et it's always possible they came in

3101
02:19:45,041 --> 02:19:42,240
contact with earthlings it's always

3102
02:19:50,171 --> 02:19:45,051
possible one of these cases involves

3103
02:19:53,600 --> 02:19:50,181
something related to a real UFO or UAP

3104
02:19:56,870 --> 02:19:53,610
mm-hmm does not cap get involved in that

3105
02:19:59,980 --> 02:19:56,880
kind of research not know dr. Haines has

3106
02:20:03,350 --> 02:19:59,990
had any interest in his career but as

3107
02:20:05,390 --> 02:20:03,360
it's not our we fall a pilot testimony

3108
02:20:07,280 --> 02:20:05,400
that leaves us where we go and

3109
02:20:09,950 --> 02:20:07,290
interestingly enough we have one or two

3110
02:20:11,690 --> 02:20:09,960
cases involving missing time aircraft

3111
02:20:14,450 --> 02:20:11,700
returning with more gas than they should

3112
02:20:17,890 --> 02:20:14,460
have and I after having been in the air

3113
02:20:22,490 --> 02:20:17,900
then they thought to be or plan to be

3114
02:20:24,711 --> 02:20:22,500
and you know the jury's out on what

3115
02:20:27,950 --> 02:20:24,721
exactly happened but but those are

3116
02:20:30,950 --> 02:20:27,960
fairly rare we tend to have more common

3117
02:20:33,650 --> 02:20:30,960
aviation cases with observations and

3118
02:20:36,320 --> 02:20:33,660
incidents involving objects but but not

3119
02:20:38,001 --> 02:20:36,330
as the crew of X being more radical than

3120
02:20:42,530 --> 02:20:38,011
anything Nightline it's that kind of

3121
02:20:44,600 --> 02:20:42,540
stuff versus be abducted birthday okay

3122
02:20:47,570 --> 02:20:44,610
so your focus obviously is on aviation

3123
02:20:49,520 --> 02:20:47,580
related sightings for those who call you

3124
02:20:52,280 --> 02:20:49,530
up or write you or something and say hey

3125
02:20:54,770 --> 02:20:52,290
I saw something in my car or while

3126
02:20:57,110 --> 02:20:54,780
walking in the street or something or in

3127
02:20:58,940 --> 02:20:57,120
my backyard where do you send them well

3128
02:21:00,591 --> 02:20:58,950
and first off it kind of depends on

3129
02:21:02,990 --> 02:21:00,601
where all that is you know they're near

3130
02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:03,000
an aviation facility we dig a little

3131
02:21:08,120 --> 02:21:05,130
deeper see if there's any reports coming

3132
02:21:10,160 --> 02:21:08,130
out of the air or even reach out with a

3133
02:21:14,421 --> 02:21:10,170
FOIA request if it looks like it might

3134
02:21:18,501 --> 02:21:14,431
be promising I usually send them to move

3135
02:21:21,150 --> 02:21:18,511
on or new fork to make reports so so

3136
02:21:23,860 --> 02:21:21,160
that the data itself doesn't get lost

3137
02:21:26,620 --> 02:21:23,870
let's talk about your ongoing research

3138
02:21:28,570 --> 02:21:26,630
what programs in addition to working

3139
02:21:31,600 --> 02:21:28,580
with the authorities and Chile and

3140
02:21:34,541 --> 02:21:31,610
people in France what projects are you

3141
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:34,551
engaged in now that you feel might bring

3142
02:21:41,051 --> 02:21:38,650
some fruit to your investigation well

3143
02:21:44,770 --> 02:21:41,061
part of it is the participation with

3144
02:21:47,230 --> 02:21:44,780
these teams we have a Japan the French

3145
02:21:50,400 --> 02:21:47,240
team is holding a closed workshop next

3146
02:21:53,650 --> 02:21:50,410
month and we submitted a paper for their

3147
02:21:55,961 --> 02:21:53,660
approval which we did receive and now we

3148
02:21:58,541 --> 02:21:55,971
get to present that at their workshops

3149
02:22:00,610 --> 02:21:58,551
of participating in in the global

3150
02:22:03,820 --> 02:22:00,620
discussion around this is is really

3151
02:22:05,410 --> 02:22:03,830
really important and and in as an

3152
02:22:08,620 --> 02:22:05,420
administrator of the organisation I

3153
02:22:11,501 --> 02:22:08,630
don't run the science by the team and

3154
02:22:14,470 --> 02:22:11,511
ministry I think it's very important for

3155
02:22:18,310 --> 02:22:14,480
us to develop these relationships and to

3156
02:22:25,230 --> 02:22:18,320
focus a lot on what makes science move

3157
02:22:28,660 --> 02:22:25,240
in in the larger culture versus Oh

3158
02:22:30,551 --> 02:22:28,670
particular science projects we we I I

3159
02:22:32,680 --> 02:22:30,561
I'm working on some papers right now

3160
02:22:36,190 --> 02:22:32,690
that that are kind of addressing this

3161
02:22:39,850 --> 02:22:36,200
idea that more needs to be done in

3162
02:22:41,381 --> 02:22:39,860
global level and and to try and address

3163
02:22:43,961 --> 02:22:41,391
the questions around the

3164
02:22:45,581 --> 02:22:43,971
extra-terrestrial hypothesis because all

3165
02:22:46,870 --> 02:22:45,591
of these organizations whether it's the

3166
02:22:49,270 --> 02:22:46,880
branch for the Chilean's or the

3167
02:22:50,801 --> 02:22:49,280
Argentineans the Peruvians and even us

3168
02:22:53,820 --> 02:22:50,811
are constantly assailed with this

3169
02:22:56,320 --> 02:22:53,830
question of do you think they're et and

3170
02:22:57,640 --> 02:22:56,330
and we need an answer for that the world

3171
02:23:00,070 --> 02:22:57,650
needs an answer for that so we're

3172
02:23:01,570 --> 02:23:00,080
working a bit on how to make a proper

3173
02:23:05,320 --> 02:23:01,580
statement there that might be of some

3174
02:23:06,400 --> 02:23:05,330
help and further conversation so those

3175
02:23:08,831 --> 02:23:06,410
are just some of the things on the table

3176
02:23:11,581 --> 02:23:08,841
that we're kicking around right now what

3177
02:23:14,770 --> 02:23:11,591
portion of sightings you encounter are

3178
02:23:17,591 --> 02:23:14,780
indicative of possible test aircraft of

3179
02:23:20,740 --> 02:23:17,601
some sort well I couldn't give you a

3180
02:23:22,541 --> 02:23:20,750
percentage of cases but I will say that

3181
02:23:24,341 --> 02:23:22,551
whenever we come across a case that

3182
02:23:27,400 --> 02:23:24,351
might involve national security we drop

3183
02:23:29,110 --> 02:23:27,410
it like a hot potato and generally

3184
02:23:30,610 --> 02:23:29,120
speaking that's handled by dr. Haynes in

3185
02:23:32,740 --> 02:23:30,620
his research group I don't know how the

3186
02:23:34,300 --> 02:23:32,750
cases he's just stuck but there's been a

3187
02:23:38,050 --> 02:23:34,310
couple that

3188
02:23:39,670 --> 02:23:38,060
just Placid no no okay the corollary

3189
02:23:43,359 --> 02:23:39,680
question then is do you think some of

3190
02:23:46,750 --> 02:23:43,369
the high-profile UFO cases might have

3191
02:23:49,330 --> 02:23:46,760
involved test aircraft I'm thinking as

3192
02:23:51,280 --> 02:23:49,340
far back as Roswell was it a mogul

3193
02:23:54,340 --> 02:23:51,290
balloon was it a test aircraft that

3194
02:23:56,290 --> 02:23:54,350
crashed and people thirty years later

3195
02:23:57,609 --> 02:23:56,300
maybe expanded the memories it's a

3196
02:23:59,889 --> 02:23:57,619
question I'm going to leave for you to

3197
02:24:02,380 --> 02:23:59,899
answer in our final segment we've got

3198
02:24:06,969 --> 02:24:02,390
Ted row he's executive director of NAR

3199
02:24:08,769 --> 02:24:06,979
cap if you go to NAR cap narca P dot org

3200
02:24:12,550 --> 02:24:08,779
you'll learn more about the organization

3201
02:24:15,099 --> 02:24:12,560
and Ted also drops into the para cast

3202
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Tedrow of Nar cap joins us he's

3309
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executive director and the question I

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posed to him which is kind of a related

3311
02:29:13,320 --> 02:29:11,410
to whether they've received reports of

3312
02:29:15,780 --> 02:29:13,330
possible test aircraft what about some

3313
02:29:18,179 --> 02:29:15,790
of these older classic cases like

3314
02:29:20,160 --> 02:29:18,189
Roswell I don't think we're ever gonna

3315
02:29:22,440 --> 02:29:20,170
get a definitive answer on Roswell

3316
02:29:25,170 --> 02:29:22,450
I and the Air Force certainly hasn't

3317
02:29:26,700 --> 02:29:25,180
provided adequate answers and the

3318
02:29:29,219 --> 02:29:26,710
research is starting to chase its tail

3319
02:29:32,610 --> 02:29:29,229
now so it's hard to be certain what's

3320
02:29:34,950 --> 02:29:32,620
coming out well they offered it it was a

3321
02:29:40,770 --> 02:29:34,960
test array but the dates aren't right

3322
02:29:42,690 --> 02:29:40,780
the the idea that you ap reports reflect

3323
02:29:45,900 --> 02:29:42,700
either classified aircraft or maybe

3324
02:29:48,000 --> 02:29:45,910
drones isn't lost on us and we are doing

3325
02:29:49,980 --> 02:29:48,010
Studies on drones and drone lighting

3326
02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:49,990
patterns and all kinds of things in

3327
02:29:55,530 --> 02:29:51,850
order to be able to determine a drone

3328
02:29:58,020 --> 02:29:55,540
from a UAP I I think it's possible I

3329
02:30:02,340 --> 02:29:58,030
read a study a while back suggesting

3330
02:30:04,590 --> 02:30:02,350
that maybe Kenneth Arnold's original

3331
02:30:07,620 --> 02:30:04,600
sighting near Mount Rainier back in the

3332
02:30:12,809 --> 02:30:07,630
40s that kind of started the whole media

3333
02:30:15,960 --> 02:30:12,819
fury UFOs might have reflected a test

3334
02:30:19,650 --> 02:30:15,970
flight of German Horton aircraft that

3335
02:30:22,260 --> 02:30:19,660
were sort of moon shaped or flying wing

3336
02:30:24,360 --> 02:30:22,270
kind of aircraft so I do think there's a

3337
02:30:26,520 --> 02:30:24,370
potential for some of these cases at the

3338
02:30:28,469 --> 02:30:26,530
same time you have cases where you ap

3339
02:30:30,660 --> 02:30:28,479
manifests directly over facilities like

3340
02:30:32,309 --> 02:30:30,670
O'Hare or the e they show up over cities

3341
02:30:34,740 --> 02:30:32,319
this kind of stuff which doesn't seem

3342
02:30:38,219 --> 02:30:34,750
very prudent for black projects to be

3343
02:30:40,349 --> 02:30:38,229
doing unless it's psyops of some kind

3344
02:30:42,870 --> 02:30:40,359
what do you think about government

3345
02:30:44,700 --> 02:30:42,880
disinformation the feeling that some of

3346
02:30:48,690 --> 02:30:44,710
the information being followed in the

3347
02:30:52,740 --> 02:30:48,700
UFO field itself is actually placed

3348
02:30:54,150 --> 02:30:52,750
there just to confuse everybody well it

3349
02:30:56,880 --> 02:30:54,160
wouldn't surprise me if nothing else

3350
02:30:58,889 --> 02:30:56,890
it's a fascinating laboratory Ames and

3351
02:31:01,800 --> 02:30:58,899
this kind of stuff by I would think the

3352
02:31:03,990 --> 02:31:01,810
intelligence community dabbling more

3353
02:31:09,059 --> 02:31:04,000
active in it just for the exercise of it

3354
02:31:11,420 --> 02:31:09,069
I I do think that there are a lot of

3355
02:31:14,381 --> 02:31:11,430
people looking for conspiracies and

3356
02:31:16,900 --> 02:31:14,391
folks who are seeing aliens under

3357
02:31:18,190 --> 02:31:16,910
every tree in underwritten and I think

3358
02:31:20,501 --> 02:31:18,200
at some point you have to get that under

3359
02:31:22,810 --> 02:31:20,511
control really consider what your

3360
02:31:25,030 --> 02:31:22,820
government is and what it does look at

3361
02:31:26,970 --> 02:31:25,040
how it acts in the morning look at the

3362
02:31:29,501 --> 02:31:26,980
competence it brings to the other

3363
02:31:30,640 --> 02:31:29,511
activities that it engages and then ask

3364
02:31:34,211 --> 02:31:30,650
yourself if it's really capable

3365
02:31:35,940 --> 02:31:34,221
something that's as delicate as as this

3366
02:31:39,430 --> 02:31:35,950
in that fashion

3367
02:31:41,980 --> 02:31:39,440
i-i-i I do think that there's probably

3368
02:31:44,171 --> 02:31:41,990
some some disinformation involved I

3369
02:31:46,331 --> 02:31:44,181
don't know the reasoning behind it all

3370
02:31:50,171 --> 02:31:46,341
because I don't know government story in

3371
02:31:51,881 --> 02:31:50,181
it all that's why I tend to go back to

3372
02:31:54,730 --> 02:31:51,891
the date itself and just say just look

3373
02:31:57,541 --> 02:31:54,740
at the cases you know do the work treat

3374
02:32:00,341 --> 02:31:57,551
it like you treat any other study and

3375
02:32:03,190 --> 02:32:00,351
don't extrapolate too much and just let

3376
02:32:04,511 --> 02:32:03,200
the data stack up and you can recreate

3377
02:32:06,551 --> 02:32:04,521
pretty much whatever is known in the

3378
02:32:08,310 --> 02:32:06,561
private sphere in the public domain

3379
02:32:12,310 --> 02:32:08,320
because it happens in front of everybody

3380
02:32:14,081 --> 02:32:12,320
so let me ask you a crazy hypothetical

3381
02:32:17,530 --> 02:32:14,091
question you may not want to answer a

3382
02:32:20,980 --> 02:32:17,540
certain multi-millionaire who owns a lot

3383
02:32:23,051 --> 02:32:20,990
of hotels and has been involved in the

3384
02:32:25,270 --> 02:32:23,061
paranormal field with grants like to

3385
02:32:26,770 --> 02:32:25,280
MUFON if he went to Newark Kevin maybe

3386
02:32:29,171 --> 02:32:26,780
he started already and you won't tell us

3387
02:32:33,011 --> 02:32:29,181
but if he came to Newark cap and said

3388
02:32:34,660 --> 02:32:33,021
look here's five million dollars what

3389
02:32:37,331 --> 02:32:34,670
would you do how would you handle it

3390
02:32:38,831 --> 02:32:37,341
well in my experience that personality

3391
02:32:43,301 --> 02:32:38,841
doesn't come without strings attached

3392
02:32:45,490 --> 02:32:43,311
and generally speaking every time I've

3393
02:32:47,950 --> 02:32:45,500
seen that personality go into that mode

3394
02:32:50,200 --> 02:32:47,960
the strings attached are unacceptable

3395
02:32:53,110 --> 02:32:50,210
and I would say no and I've said no in

3396
02:32:56,470 --> 02:32:53,120
the past has he come to you the one

3397
02:32:59,740 --> 02:32:56,480
we're talking about yeah yeah for

3398
02:33:02,740 --> 02:32:59,750
various reasons he he has an interest in

3399
02:33:06,610 --> 02:33:02,750
buying a researcher files in this kind

3400
02:33:10,150 --> 02:33:06,620
of stuff then doc I I've put a strong no

3401
02:33:12,421 --> 02:33:10,160
vote on those activities how closely do

3402
02:33:16,480 --> 02:33:12,431
you work with other organizations

3403
02:33:19,390 --> 02:33:16,490
exploring UAP UFOs etc you mentioned for

3404
02:33:21,220 --> 02:33:19,400
example MUFON as an alternative for

3405
02:33:24,041 --> 02:33:21,230
reporting sightings that aren't the ones

3406
02:33:27,260 --> 02:33:24,051
that you will particularly cover right

3407
02:33:29,570 --> 02:33:27,270
right um it just depends

3408
02:33:32,930 --> 02:33:29,580
sometimes we'll we'll help with an

3409
02:33:35,690 --> 02:33:32,940
aviation case for example the merlin

3410
02:33:37,790 --> 02:33:35,700
c-26 case out of Mexico that had

3411
02:33:41,690 --> 02:33:37,800
everybody all excited with orange balls

3412
02:33:43,310 --> 02:33:41,700
of light near the airplane only that we

3413
02:33:46,310 --> 02:33:43,320
were we were approached rather quickly

3414
02:33:48,590 --> 02:33:46,320
with with data on that to to offer a

3415
02:33:52,280 --> 02:33:48,600
second opinion and once we got a hold of

3416
02:33:54,410 --> 02:33:52,290
the manufacturer of the infrared system

3417
02:33:56,030 --> 02:33:54,420
and we had the azimuth in the heading

3418
02:33:58,280 --> 02:33:56,040
and the altitude of the aircraft we were

3419
02:34:01,690 --> 02:33:58,290
able to determine fairly conclusively

3420
02:34:04,969 --> 02:34:01,700
that it detected oil flares on oil rigs

3421
02:34:07,969 --> 02:34:04,979
at a distance and even so the case won't

3422
02:34:12,650 --> 02:34:07,979
die but that's been confirmed by other

3423
02:34:14,210 --> 02:34:12,660
researchers as well so so we will work

3424
02:34:16,070 --> 02:34:14,220
with people from time to time and not

3425
02:34:17,960 --> 02:34:16,080
publish it just depends on what the

3426
02:34:20,480 --> 02:34:17,970
subject matter isn't what kind of

3427
02:34:23,120 --> 02:34:20,490
relationship we have with them speaking

3428
02:34:25,880 --> 02:34:23,130
of cases don't pass semester or are

3429
02:34:29,530 --> 02:34:25,890
conventional are you exposed to many

3430
02:34:31,880 --> 02:34:29,540
hoaxes at all do people come to you with

3431
02:34:35,270 --> 02:34:31,890
stuff they know to be faked

3432
02:34:36,469 --> 02:34:35,280
hoping to fool narc up well so far we

3433
02:34:39,520 --> 02:34:36,479
haven't had any cases that were

3434
02:34:42,560 --> 02:34:39,530
manufactured out of whole cloth but but

3435
02:34:45,620 --> 02:34:42,570
we did a fairly intensive study of the

3436
02:34:48,230 --> 02:34:45,630
O'Hara matter whereby a yogi allegedly

3437
02:34:50,870 --> 02:34:48,240
manifested over c-terminal little hair

3438
02:34:53,630 --> 02:34:50,880
for 25 minutes or so and was seen by a

3439
02:34:56,510 --> 02:34:53,640
lot of people I handled the photographic

3440
02:34:58,760 --> 02:34:56,520
evidence portion of that study which

3441
02:35:00,350 --> 02:34:58,770
isn't my strong suit but fortunately

3442
02:35:04,160 --> 02:35:00,360
there were literally no photographs

3443
02:35:05,870 --> 02:35:04,170
submitted to me the credible of the

3444
02:35:07,219 --> 02:35:05,880
phenomena at the time and there were a

3445
02:35:10,850 --> 02:35:07,229
number of them it were clearly thought

3446
02:35:13,550 --> 02:35:10,860
and were submitted to to throw us off

3447
02:35:16,010 --> 02:35:13,560
track I would assume and there was one

3448
02:35:19,760 --> 02:35:16,020
in particular it's a I think it was I

3449
02:35:21,410 --> 02:35:19,770
think was David behead me yeah you one

3450
02:35:23,480 --> 02:35:21,420
of the guys in above top secret did a

3451
02:35:25,969 --> 02:35:23,490
study on a particularly promising

3452
02:35:29,390 --> 02:35:25,979
picture but it turned out to be a little

3453
02:35:31,310 --> 02:35:29,400
too spooky for us to get on no not it

3454
02:35:32,750 --> 02:35:31,320
didn't have that it has some data

3455
02:35:36,620 --> 02:35:32,760
markers in it their work we could

3456
02:35:39,260 --> 02:35:36,630
resolve as to the case itself what do

3457
02:35:40,640 --> 02:35:39,270
you think well I think that something

3458
02:35:43,400 --> 02:35:40,650
had happened did O'Hara I think

3459
02:35:45,650 --> 02:35:43,410
we've seen and documented described and

3460
02:35:48,230 --> 02:35:45,660
it was pretty much as described but I'm

3461
02:35:50,660 --> 02:35:48,240
controller the various people on crown

3462
02:35:53,450 --> 02:35:50,670
I don't think there was radar data that

3463
02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:53,460
that was conclusive out of it and that's

3464
02:35:58,700 --> 02:35:56,090
to be expected in these cases as well

3465
02:36:00,410 --> 02:35:58,710
yeah I think it was a classic example of

3466
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an incursion into a Class B restricted

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airspace by an unidentified and then

3468
02:36:07,580 --> 02:36:05,640
nobody had a proper answer for dealing

3469
02:36:12,860 --> 02:36:07,590
that happened because nobody's been

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02:36:14,420 --> 02:36:12,870
educated that it can happen so there was

3471
02:36:15,830 --> 02:36:14,430
more backdoor information out of that

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02:36:18,620 --> 02:36:15,840
that we couldn't publish but we have

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02:36:23,180 --> 02:36:18,630
contacts yeah we have some NASA

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02:36:26,210 --> 02:36:23,190
officials on staff at our resources as

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02:36:28,640 --> 02:36:26,220
well that implied to their work safety

3476
02:36:31,370 --> 02:36:28,650
issues around that manifestation but we

3477
02:36:33,950 --> 02:36:31,380
don't I don't have anything I can

3478
02:36:35,480 --> 02:36:33,960
publish your speak about public but okay

3479
02:36:37,880 --> 02:36:35,490
you've just went our appetite those

3480
02:36:41,780 --> 02:36:37,890
safety issues but certainly the presence

3481
02:36:44,180 --> 02:36:41,790
of any aircraft that's unknown out of

3482
02:36:46,400 --> 02:36:44,190
their control or purview can present

3483
02:36:47,841 --> 02:36:46,410
some kind of threat candidate if you're

3484
02:36:49,400 --> 02:36:47,851
on final approach and this thing's

3485
02:36:50,750 --> 02:36:49,410
hovering off the edge of your run you

3486
02:36:53,870 --> 02:36:50,760
don't know if it's gonna move into half

3487
02:36:55,160 --> 02:36:53,880
the traveler and these things are

3488
02:36:57,320 --> 02:36:55,170
unpredictable nobody knows what

3489
02:36:59,710 --> 02:36:57,330
direction they're going they just that

3490
02:37:04,341 --> 02:36:59,720
when they go they tend to go quickly and

3491
02:37:06,080 --> 02:37:04,351
and and it's not in control so yeah it's

3492
02:37:09,440 --> 02:37:06,090
a hazard to aviation safe to you

3493
02:37:11,150 --> 02:37:09,450
appearance to bedro we're just about out

3494
02:37:12,440 --> 02:37:11,160
of time would you tell our listeners if

3495
02:37:14,870 --> 02:37:12,450
they're interested in learning more

3496
02:37:18,011 --> 02:37:14,880
about NAR cap how do they get ahold of

3497
02:37:21,680 --> 02:37:18,021
you certainly um we can be reached at

3498
02:37:24,350 --> 02:37:21,690
WWN RK org there's a contact us form

3499
02:37:26,600 --> 02:37:24,360
there if your pilot or an air controller

3500
02:37:28,610 --> 02:37:26,610
or you want to talk to us we also need

3501
02:37:30,500 --> 02:37:28,620
volunteer health both an administration

3502
02:37:32,810 --> 02:37:30,510
as well as a research you can certainly

3503
02:37:34,730 --> 02:37:32,820
use funders and funding health buck we

3504
02:37:38,150 --> 02:37:34,740
we need to come up with a trip to Paris

3505
02:37:40,580 --> 02:37:38,160
in about five weeks to get one per team

3506
02:37:44,960 --> 02:37:40,590
their offer working with the French

3507
02:37:47,860 --> 02:37:44,970
government team so any help that any of

3508
02:37:50,849 --> 02:37:47,870
our listeners can be we welcome

3509
02:37:53,580 --> 02:37:50,859
potential funders and

3510
02:37:55,980 --> 02:37:53,590
volunteers and we look for deer that's

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02:37:58,250 --> 02:37:55,990
not capped org we've linked it over at

3512
02:38:00,570 --> 02:37:58,260
the power cast comm and he's also

3513
02:38:03,360 --> 02:38:00,580
participating in our forums at forum dr.

3514
02:38:04,980 --> 02:38:03,370
power cast comm Tedrow you can find us

3515
02:38:07,290 --> 02:38:04,990
on Twitter where we're known as the

3516
02:38:10,349 --> 02:38:07,300
power cast look for the power cast on

3517
02:38:14,150 --> 02:38:10,359
Twitter look for a since there are two

3518
02:38:16,740 --> 02:38:14,160
of them para cast fanclub on Facebook

3519
02:38:20,370 --> 02:38:16,750
and our own Chris O'Brien has his own

3520
02:38:23,490 --> 02:38:20,380
site our strange planet calm our strange

3521
02:38:26,360 --> 02:38:23,500
planet calm he also has a new book out

3522
02:38:29,940 --> 02:38:26,370
stalking the herd a definitive book on

3523
02:38:32,610 --> 02:38:29,950
cattle mutilations you can order a copy

3524
02:38:36,059 --> 02:38:32,620
from his site he'll autograph it for you

3525
02:38:38,040 --> 02:38:36,069
and of course he makes all the profit

3526
02:38:40,679 --> 02:38:38,050
because it's not all going to Amazon

3527
02:38:43,050 --> 02:38:40,689
Tedrow thank you so much for joining us

3528
02:38:52,930 --> 02:38:43,060
this week on the para cast they thank

3529
02:38:59,331 --> 02:38:56,421
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3530
02:39:02,320 --> 02:38:59,341
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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02:39:06,110 --> 02:39:02,330
presentation of making the impossible